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Aloha and Island Air

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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8613322/

So where is this going? What does Aloha's ALPA council plan on doing? It is amazing to me how screwed up the airline business is. A puchase which includes pay off's, a buyback clause, and shared resources with the seller, which now claims to be an autonomous entity. Good luck guys. I hope Farris makes the right decision, although in matters such as these he has a checkered past.

BTW, to any island air pilot's out there, when do the big planes start to arrive, and what is WP's council's position on the scope between Hawaiian and Aloha?
 

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Aloha is suing its own pilots??? So how is that suppose to work??? Don't they have bigger fish to fry.......like CH11??? Whatever,:rolleyes:
 
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snipped from the article above:

[The highest hourly wage of an Aloha pilot on an interisland flight is $109.09, compared with $108 for Island Air pilots.

Island Air recently raised the wages of all its employees by about 30 percent while Aloha negotiated a wage cut of about 20 percent.]

So, which WP pilot is pulling in the $108/hour? Must include tips.
 

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The truth be told, Aloha LOST the grievance and they are suing to increase the scope clause from to 120 flights a day, and they want to be able to code share on any size airplane, maybe even 737's...

This was their offer AFTER THEY LOST the grievance! Amazing. They must really take us for fools. Holy crap do I have a few questions for the hanger hui....

mdanno808 said:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8613322/

So where is this going? What does Aloha's ALPA council plan on doing? It is amazing to me how screwed up the airline business is. A puchase which includes pay off's, a buyback clause, and shared resources with the seller, which now claims to be an autonomous entity. Good luck guys. I hope Farris makes the right decision, although in matters such as these he has a checkered past.

BTW, to any island air pilot's out there, when do the big planes start to arrive, and what is WP's council's position on the scope between Hawaiian and Aloha?
 

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mdanno808 said:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8613322/

So where is this going? What does Aloha's ALPA council plan on doing? It is amazing to me how screwed up the airline business is. A puchase which includes pay off's, a buyback clause, and shared resources with the seller, which now claims to be an autonomous entity. Good luck guys. I hope Farris makes the right decision, although in matters such as these he has a checkered past.

BTW, to any island air pilot's out there, when do the big planes start to arrive, and what is WP's council's position on the scope between Hawaiian and Aloha?

The first one in November, 2nd in March and the third in June, supposedly.
Hope this helps, Take care my friend.
 

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nomomoney said:
When did you hear 120 flights?????


A friend of mine saw the written proposal.
 
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av8tortype said:
snipped from the article above:

[The highest hourly wage of an Aloha pilot on an interisland flight is $109.09, compared with $108 for Island Air pilots.

Island Air recently raised the wages of all its employees by about 30 percent while Aloha negotiated a wage cut of about 20 percent.]

So, which WP pilot is pulling in the $108/hour? Must include tips.

I though those pay rates were typos but its actually accurate.
 

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So, they lost the grievance, and want to impose a new, less restrictive scope on the pilots? WTF? Who hears this new proposal? Is it Farris, cause if it is, you guys may be in trouble. He is not the most labor friendly man in the world. Good luck either way.
 

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islandhopper said:
I thought those pay rates were typos but its actually accurate.

I did read about an Island Air pilot retiring from WP a year or two ago. I guess reaching the top of the scale can be done. Anything new from FlyHI?
 

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Just got back from a 3 day trip, and saw an article that claimed AQ is sending back 4 more planes next month. Is this right? Are they actually sending the planes back, or are they just cancelling four flights?
 

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My understanding is that two already went back (in the last few weeks or so) and the other two are going back in September.
 

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NOW...you're missing it!

Mango and strawberry margaritas, with Herradurra Reposado.

Get over here!
 

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av8tortype said:
I did read about an Island Air pilot retiring from WP a year or two ago. I guess reaching the top of the scale can be done. Anything new from FlyHI?

Fly Hi supposedly will start arriving in December. They received 121 certification through some company called Empire I believe. At least this is what we were told.
 

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Fly Hi supposedly will start arriving in December. They received 121 certification through some company called Empire I believe. At least this is what we were told.

Is that the motivation for WP getting the -400s this year? Wonder if any Island guys plan to jump ship. I'll pass the word if I see any lime green ATRs heading over the west coast for HNL. For some of these birds it just may be their second transpac to Hawaii.
 

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Is that the motivation for WP getting the -400s this year? Wonder if any Island guys plan to jump ship. I'll pass the word if I see any lime green ATRs heading over the west coast for HNL. For some of these birds it just may be their second transpac to Hawaii.

This FlyHi operation is still in need of MAJOR FINANCING to the tune of 25-30 Mill the last I heard!!!!

It would be very risky for any WP guys to jump ship to a unknown startup with no financing and no A/c to speak of.

This guy whom is behind this startup (owner of Lion Coffee) should stick to making coffee and be very careful pouring his and investors $$$ (if he ever gets any??) into this venture!!!

The graveyard of interisland carriers is a long and very distiguished (Mid-Pac, Discovery, Mahalo and if they want FlyHi.)
 

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Erndogg said:
This FlyHi operation is still in need of MAJOR FINANCING to the tune of 25-30 Mill the last I heard!!!!

It would be very risky for any WP guys to jump ship to a unknown startup with no financing and no A/c to speak of.

This guy whom is behind this startup (owner of Lion Coffee) should stick to making coffee and be very careful pouring his and investors $$$ (if he ever gets any??) into this venture!!!

The graveyard of interisland carriers is a long and very distiguished (Mid-Pac, Discovery, Mahalo and if they want FlyHi.)

I must agree with Erndogg,

Start-ups are risky to begin with. However, in Hawaii, its even more so because it could mean you'll have to leave the islands to find work. Its a small community and you must be careful when burning bridges.

As for the Lion Coffee guy, he must be bored and looking for big challeges to want to brave todays airline industry. I wish FlyHI good luck. ;)
 

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I agree about WP guys jumping ship to Fly Hi. Bad idea. Then again, you never know. I knew a guy at National who left to be in the second class at Jet Blue, and everyone who knew him told him he was an idiot.

The problem if they do get financing is it will set Hawaiian, Aloha, and Island Air back for years. Look at the fare wars with Mahalo. Today, the coupons are gone, and the interisland market is finally a money maker. I know cheap fares are good for the passengers, but until interisland commuting is subsidised, it is still a business. But, what the hell do I care since I am flying in Scotland. Is flyhi hiring? Forgive the spelling, I've been at the pub.
 
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