Aloha Airlines

[pilotusnow]

Et Flys or People Swim.

As a former employee of Aloha -- I can say that they have got to expand their
ETOPS flights. It is absolutely ridiculous not to offer direct flights from OAK to LIH
and OAK to ITO or SAN to LIH/ SAN to OGG. The Bay Area has enough Hawaiians to feed these routes and so does San Diego. People want the direct service on Aloha. I think they should go into Portland, OR too. Screw Hawaiian.

 

[Dan Roman]

ok I'll bite. You say screw Hawaiian? There is plenty of room for AQ to expand. It's not going to hurt Hawaiian. When USAir started all their flights out of PHX and LAS it didn't hurt our load factors. NWA flying out of PDX sure didn't hurt us and our flights are just as full out of SAN now as when were the only carrier flying between SAN and Hawaii.
From what I can see more competition brings more passengers, it hasn't been much of a problem, although it does hurt the yields a little. That said, Hawaiian had a fairly healthy operating profit 3rd qtr so even go's deal wasn't that bad for us.

 

[Hikoushi]

Any word on how the last round of interviews went, next class or any to follow, etc?

 

[Junkflyer]

I think the "screw Hawaiian " sentiment is misplaced. Screw Go is much more appropriate.

 

[Dan Roman]

Right you are. I work for Hawaiian, but wish nothing but the best for AQ. They are two great Hawaii airlines and have a long history of serving the state of Hawaii. We are not a threat to them and they are not a threat to us.
As far as the merger speculation goes, I guess anything is posssible but I don't see it. Sure Yucaipa could make an offer, but the amount of money it would cost for them to buy Hawaiian could easily be used to puchase a new fleet of aircraft and not have to deal with the hassles that would result from trying to merge the two. Personally, I wonder if Betheune was brought in to add credibility to AQ so they can go public and raise money for a fleet puchase. Maybe after AQ gets their day in court with Go they'll have plenty of money!

 

[mdanno808]

Hey DanRoman,

I'll be seeing you in March. Drove by your house about a week ago. Kind of late in the season, but the waves have been pretty good huh? Take care. Oh, yeah, SCREW HAWAIIAN!!!!!

 

[Dan Roman]

LOL! Next time bring your board and we'll get some waves, welcome back!

 

[fellows]

I'd sure like to know how Aloha is paying the bills.

 

[CX880]

Hey I just heard Aloha lost 10mil in the 3rd quarter. What's going on? 3rd quarter is the most profitable for airlines.

 

[Freight Dog]

The short of it is... Aloha's focus is in the wrong market (interisland), and Mesa came here with $29 interisland fares with purpose of putting us under. Combine the two factors and voila!

 

[CX880]

The short of it is... Aloha's focus is in the wrong market (interisland), and Mesa came here with $29 interisland fares with purpose of putting us under. Combine the two factors and voila!

Yea, Orange County is very questionable as a focus point. Rich area but terrible access by LA County.

 

[Freight Dog]

Bear in mind, we're not flying 767's out here. 124 seats is all we fly. Besides, we don't have competition out of SNA flying to Hawaii, and aside some fare specials, generally, the fares are higher than flying out of LAX.

Back when we flew to BUR, our yield was significantly higher out of SNA even though our load factor out of BUR was higher than SNA.

 

[fellows]

Freight Dog,

We are like the dynosaurs, a meteor has hit the Earth and we are so stagnated in our environment that we are in serious danger of going extinct! We sit around talking about the law suit, are you serious! Is this our only strategy! Have you seen the court system in America lately? Have you seen how long the wheels of justice take to get anything done? I cannot believe we are so convident that a "law suit" is going to save us. This is suicide. Are we gonna sit around for years as this law suit go's on and on and loose this kind of money.

Island Air gets rid of a plane, lays off some people, next thing you know there flying out of LGB. Aloha in their wildest imagination could never be capable of such an evolution. We got no balls, we run crying to the courts.

 

[XOXO]

We sit around talking about the law suit, are you serious! Is this our only strategy!

I cannot believe we are so convident that a "law suit" is going to save us. This is suicide. Are we gonna sit around for years as this law suit go's on and on and loose this kind of money.

I hear Aloha has instructors to keep this kind of thinking "In-check". If you don't start behaving like a victim soon your days at Aloha are numbered. Save your fancy logic for the mainland brah!

 

[Freight Dog]

LOL... you'd be surprised Brew, at least on the -700 side.

Fellows... what can I say? Rumors and speculations run rampant due to lack of communications from both the Company and our MEC. It's actually pretty sad if you ask me...