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Sleepyhead said:
that is a red-herring. If they do that, they might as well just shut down. They already gave a bunch of flying to WP and they have admitted that the yield in the inter-island market is very low. It also says in the BK papers that once they re-organize there are a number of market opportunities they can take advantage of.
Banmiller has said numerous times he wants to add some mainland destinations. He is going to use the old tactic of saying "we can't expand until you guys give some concessions". Also, Nutly has a background with those vacation package companies. You can bet when he gets some concessions you will see the new marketing plan.

our interisland loads are good. most of my flights are completely full or only a few open seats. the yield is low in part because of the lease rates on the 200s are huge. the supposedly recently reduced the leases by 2/3s.. down to where it should be.

i think that those options about shutting down transpac are in there because its an option.. not necessarily their plan. they are trying to address the various options because i think at this point, they have no idea what direction this will go in. they want to add mainland destinations, but they may be faced with scaling back. i dont think they have much rudder authority at this point.

yea.. nulty has his plan i'm sure. if you want to see our future, look at what he sells and for what carriers. he sells the cheapest seats on the market. look at the labor contracts of those airlines he sells seats on. thats where we're headed. our seats will be sold thru his company when they are the cheapest available on the market at the time. the only way to do that is to wait til the rest of his inventory runs out or to have the cheapest contracts to subsidize our seats being the cheapest and on the top of the list.
 
Nice to know employees will get paid. Surprises me to see the Chings and Ings digging in their wallet. How's that figure in the strategery of it all?

It is simple, in the loan papers it says they get colateral in the way of AQ equipment and they get paid back first if the BK ends up going into Chap 7. Plus they get a interest rate of prime + 1%. Nice uh, loan money to yourself at prime +1% and have a guarentee of payback.

Another note from the BK filings: The company was talking to BK consultants months ago. BK was the plan long before they told the employees they needed concessions.

As someone else posted above, the good side of BK is the company can't hid anything from the court, so now we get to see all their little secrets. It will be interesting to see the business plan and financial statement they present to the court.
 
BK was the plan last May. Banmiller was chosen before Steele was. Banmiller would only be chosen if we were going into bankruptcy.
 
English said:
BK was the plan last May. Banmiller was chosen before Steele was. Banmiller would only be chosen if we were going into bankruptcy.

Why didn't you report this last May? You've always got some special insight. Don't hold back.
 
English said:
BK was the plan last May. Banmiller was chosen before Steele was. Banmiller would only be chosen if we were going into bankruptcy.

I cant believe you held back that information! I gave up my cushy job just to be furloughed in 79 days. Thanks alot! At least Ms. Cleo is right everytime in 60% of the time.
 
I did report it, just not here.

I don't post EVERYTHING I know on flightinfo.
 
You know too much. Or at least you'd like us to THINK you know too much. Stop playing monday morning quarterback...
 
More cryptic crumbs for RJP...(don't say I never gave you anything...)

Aloha pilots can say hello to Sun Country...you figure it out...I'll give you til tomorrow at 2pm.
 
English said:
More cryptic crumbs for RJP...(don't say I never gave you anything...)

Aloha pilots can say hello to Sun Country...you figure it out...I'll give you til tomorrow at 2pm.

Now what?
 
I believe Sun Country was reduced to one airplane in a desperate attempt to hang on to their operating certificate. I certainly hope that our situation in no way compares to Sun Country or all our jobs are in serious jeopardy. Come on English, what do you know? (Or should I say, what do you think you know?)
 
English

Can you tell us the source of this info? No names needed, butwhere does it come from?, someone in Flt Ops, someone related tosomeone in Flt Ops, Banmiller's maid, his dog or what?????
 
English.......For God's sake women!!!!!

give it up!...........uh, not THAT, but the information!
 
English just likes to fluff everyone's interest. If she had real info, she'd let the AQ guys know before they read it in the Advertiser.

The crumbs keep piling up......
 
Cryptic crumbs?.....

English said:
More cryptic crumbs for RJP...(don't say I never gave you anything...)

Aloha pilots can say hello to Sun Country...you figure it out...I'll give you til tomorrow at 2pm.

.....does that mean you are finally going to share your snickerdoodle recipe with us?
 
The "contraction" will begin soon.

Look for two -700s going back to GECAS as well as the cancellation of Vancouver and Burbank.
 
Is that the "big " announcement?
That is not new, you can see that info if you check Expedia or any other travel site.
 
Yeah, that's it? I had already heard about BUR and Vancouver.

What else ya got?
 
yawn... At least I finally be making money again slinging metal for Jerry Cutter
 
Nope that is not the big announcement.

Look at my earlier clue...SUN COUNTRY...
 
English said:
Nope that is not the big announcement.

Look at my earlier clue...SUN COUNTRY...

It's like Silence of the Lambs. She just talks in riddles. USELESS!

And speaking of useless, Dopps has crawled out from under his rock.........
 
English said:
Nope that is not the big announcement.

Look at my earlier clue...SUN COUNTRY...

Hmmm..., Sun Country you say? This is what I can think of.....

Be sold off quickly to an investor via the Banckruptcy Court once concessions and cost cutting measures are in place???

Retrench back to the airline's origins (charter for Sun Country, inter-island for Aloha)????

Allow airplanes to go away only to get them back in some goofy hybrid paint scheme after their stint flying with a little-known european carrier???

Try to make a living flying horny college students to sunny locals with lax alcohol laws??? (otherwise known as being a slave to tour companies selling packages at rock bottom prices, and giving up on the Aloha 'mystique'-when you're out to get drunk and laid, who cares what name is on the side of the plane)

So which is it? C'mon share the knowledge.
 
With wet t-shirt contests at cruise!
 
"With wet t-shirt contests at cruise"!

You must be thinking of Hooters Air:)
 
CWASaab said:
Hmmm..., Sun Country you say? This is what I can think of.....

Be sold off quickly to an investor via the Banckruptcy Court once concessions and cost cutting measures are in place???

I like the way you think. I'm sorry you were furloughed...


http://starbulletin.com/2005/01/20/business/index1.html

Thursday, January 20, 2005


Suitors pursue
Aloha Airlines


Investors who sought stakes
in Hawaiian Airlines are
after its local competitor


By Dave Segal
[email protected]


Several investors who unsuccessfully pursued Hawaiian Airlines during its ongoing bankruptcy reorganization are now turning their attention to rival carrier Aloha Airlines.

In what amounts to a rare second chance to buy a significant stake in the state's airline industry, mainland suitors are exploring investments in Aloha in the wake of the carrier's Chapter 11 filing on Dec. 30.

Among some of the potential investors are:

» Vx Capital Partners, a San Francisco-based investment firm focused exclusively on aircraft and airlines;
» Indigo Partners LLC, a Phoenix-based private equity fund focused on investments in the transportation industry; and
» Mesa Air Group, a Phoenix-based regional carrier that has code-share agreements with United Airlines, US Airways, America West and Midwest Airlines.


Aloha Airlines Chief Executive David Banmiller has acknowledged that the airline is discussing opportunities with multiple parties but the company declined to provide any details.

The airline, which is running short of cash, is hoping to cut operating expenses by $60 million, or up to 15 percent, this year through labor contract concessions, renegotiating aircraft leases and changing its route operations. Aloha could announce a change in its route structure as early as today.

Stephen Compagni Portis, a partner with Vx, said his company has been "actively reviewing the situation."

"We have a high level of interest in proposing a plan of reorganization to allow the company to emerge from bankruptcy," said Portis, who was one of the finalists for Hawaiian until dropping out of the process. "We believe that there's a place in the market for Aloha. We think that the state's residents want to have two interisland carriers and we think the prospects for successful reorganization of Aloha are encouraging."

Indigo was founded by managing partner William Franke, the former chairman and CEO of America West. The fund has investments in Tiger Airlines in Singapore and Wizz Airlines in Budapest, Hungary.

Franke said he doesn't comment on deals in the marketplace, but people familiar with the situation said he is interested in Aloha.

"We're in the airline investment business. We look at airlines worldwide on a regular basis," Franke said.

Jonathan Ornstein, the chairman and CEO of Mesa Air Group, said the company has been approached by Aloha Airlines.

"We're taking a look at it," Ornstein said. "We look at everything. People in the industry know that we like bankruptcies and we have been participants in these kinds of deals. We have had interest in Hawaii from the days of (now-defunct) Discovery Airways."

Some of the other investors who previously pursued Hawaiian Airlines declined to comment or didn't return phone calls.

Portis said investors have to weigh different factors when looking at Aloha's situation as opposed to Hawaiian's circumstances.

"The value of Aloha Airlines is clearly less than Hawaiian Airlines due to Hawaiian's fleet, name recognition and perception of high-quality service," Portis said. "Hawaiian is better positioned due to the cities it serves, its wide-body aircraft and the recognition of the Hawaiian name."

Aloha's financial situation also is less visible than Hawaiian because the airline is privately held. It's that lack of publicly available information that has convinced turnaround firm Corporate Recovery Group of Wilson, Wyo., to stay out of the running. Corporate Recovery Group teamed up with Boeing Capital Corp. nearly a year ago to file the first reorganization plan in the Hawaiian Airlines bankruptcy.

Corporate Recovery Group subsequently dropped out of the running when Boeing Capital decided to team up with Hawaiian Airlines trustee Joshua Gotbaum, the Hawaiian unsecured creditors' committee and investment group RC Aviation LLC.

"We've looked at Aloha and we're not going to do anything at this point," said Ron Orr, a principal of Corporate Recovery Group. "It's harder to figure out what's going on as far as an analysis. We had a lot of historical knowledge of Hawaiian, which we don't have about Aloha."

In another development, a new contract that Aloha's pilots union expected to sign with the company has hit a last-minute snag and is expected to be delayed by several days. "In principle, the agreement has basically been reached," said Steve Brenessel, spokesman for Aloha's unit of the Air Line Pilots Association. "But they say in that cliche that the devil is in the details, and it is. The accountants and number crunchers on both sides have uncovered some details that they want to be sure of so that they're talking apples and oranges and the numbers actually work out right."
 
The scumbag hall of fame!!! Bill Franke???

JOHNNY "The Shyster" ORNSTEIN????? Pray for Aloha employees...........
 
Ornstein said. "we like bankruptcies" The words of a true sociopath. Ialways knew he was cheering Al Qaida on as they flew through the WTC.

And Johnny O's first order of business as he takes the helm at Aloha???He will finally make right one of his biggest mistakes and finally FIREME.

Thats OK, as soon as he steps foot on Oahu We can have the Halawa Valley Welcoming Commitee show him the true meaning of Aloha!

Aloha! As in get the fukk out of here!
 

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