Aloha ʻino Mesa! Shame On You!

[islandhopper]

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Mesa Air Group is positioning itself to swoop in and grab the market share held by Aloha Airlines if the local airline can't make it out of bankruptcy.[/FONT]

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He will have to beat Hawaiian and a long line of other investors that see more value in Aloha than our certificates ability to bust the Mesa Scope clause.

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif] Mesa confounded analysts and airline industry players trying to figure out what the Phoenix-based regional carrier saw in Hawaii's shrinking interisland market.[/FONT]

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I called JO's game the first day. He is after Aloha's certificate in a Ch7 or 363 sale to shove 737 pay rates down his own MEC's throat.

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif] "Mesa's move is because of a weakness on the part of Aloha, and the belief it won't survive its bankruptcy," Mesa CEO Jonathan Ornstein said Aloha's demise would clearly be good for business. [/FONT]

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Goggle "sociopath"[/FONT]. Definition.... inability to control impulses . lack of moral sense, chronically antisocial behavior, they do not consider other people's wishes, welfare or rights. They can be manipulative and may lie to gain personal pleasure or profit.

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Ornstein told PBN. "But I won't deny that if a significant part of the capacity were to go away, it clearly would make our business a lot better. No doubt about that."[/FONT]

Now google obsessive-compulsive disorder

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif] "We doubt Mesa will proceed if airline market conditions within Hawaii change in a manner which makes success meaningfully less likely," said Bob McAdoo, an airline analyst with New York-based Prudential Equity Group Inc.[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif] McAdoo reduced Mesa's stock price target when he heard of its Hawaii plans. However, in discussions with the airline's managers, he was told that Mesa will bring on several partners to reduce its exposure and would parachute out if the market didn't change in its favor.[/FONT]

Good, at least somebody out there has a clue!

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,Serif] Ornstein said he has been studying the market for years. He even looked at investing in Hawaiian and Aloha.[/FONT]

No kidding. And he has been shown the door at least three times. Talk about overstaying your welcome! Good riddance!

 

[skydivinguy]

Well, we can hope that the Mesa airline, when it starts, tanks rapidly. Altho scum survives in aviation, re: Ichan and Lorenzo.

 

[RJP]

The proverbial cat is out of the bag! Great post Islandhopper. Hope JO never gets the opportunity to come out here no matter what the circumstances.

 

[J32driver]

JO has RJs getting ready to collect dust. He has all but been kicked out of the USAirways 50 seat market and now he has no where to go with the planes. I know... lets start an Hawaii operation!

 

[mdanno808]

How are things going in negotiations? Did Farris set a deadline when he opted out of making a decision of his own?

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Um...no. You are completely mistaken.

JO has RJs getting ready to collect dust. He has all but been kicked out of the USAirways 50 seat market and now he has no where to go with the planes. I know... lets start an Hawaii operation!

All (every one) of those 50 seaters are going to other code-share partners. The ERJs to the Delta code share and the CRJs to the United code share. We are not parting ways with America West/USAirways anytime soon...sorry to disappoint you.

JO certainly has something up his sleeve though.

Spiff

 

[dash8driver]

How are things going in negotiations? Did Farris set a deadline when he opted out of making a decision of his own?

the hearings are not finished yet. there is still more testifying to be done. i think the company may be done testifying now.

hearings resume tomorrow morning at 9:30. come down early and get a good seat. we have faris reserved for the 8th, 9th, and 10th.

 

[islandhopper]

the hearings are not finished yet. there is still more testifying to be done. i think the company may be done testifying now.

hearings resume tomorrow morning at 9:30. come down early and get a good seat. we have faris reserved for the 8th, 9th, and 10th.

Looks like JO got some "airtime" in Judge Faris courtroom. I am sure glad that G.L. provided that video to show as evidence.

I found another article about Ornstien wanting 737's. Here is the link and a very interesting quote. He even mentions HAWAII. I dont know how I missed this one all along.

http://www.thestreet.com/_tscana/markets/ericgillin/10161930.html

 

[scar1900]

Looks like JO got some "airtime" in Judge Faris courtroom. I am sure glad that G.L. provided that video to show as evidence.

I found another article about Ornstien wanting 737's. Here is the link and a very interesting quote. He even mentions HAWAII. I dont know how I missed this one all along.

http://www.thestreet.com/_tscana/markets/ericgillin/10161930.html

Did you look at the date on that article? It's over a year and a half old.

 

[RJP]

Did you look at the date on that article? It's over a year and a half old.

Just a guess here, but I think that was the point.

 

[PHXFLYR]

We are not parting ways with America West/USAirways anytime soon...sorry to disappoint you.



Spiff[/quote]



I wouldn't be so sure..... USAirways recently agreed to EM190 payrates. Should the airplanes become a reality, you and those 90 seaters will have no place to go, which really wouldn't break many hearts out there.


PHXFLYR

 

[synchoff]

Spiff

I wouldn't be so sure..... USAirways recently agreed to EM190 payrates. Should the airplanes become a reality, you and those 90 seaters will have no place to go, which really wouldn't break many hearts out there.


PHXFLYR

Well, there is that PESKY contract we have with America West (now US Airways) until 2012 . . . DORK!

 

[Hpilot]

That is true. Because America West entered the merger out of bankruptcy we are held to the Mesa contract until something like 2012. Nothing against the Mesa pilots I'm just no big fan of Ornstein.

 

[Hpilot]

Ah sorry I forgot to add I don't agree with the DORK part.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Spiff

Well, there is that PESKY contract we have with America West (now US Airways) until 2012 . . . DORK!

Contracts are made to be broken... as a Mesa "dork" one would think you would have figured that out by now,given the way JO "sheets" all over yours But then again.........


PHXFLYR

 

[islandhopper]

Did you look at the date on that article? It's over a year and a half old.

That was my point! He has actually approached the Chings Ings directly many times over the years but they wouldn't sell because Mesa was and always will be TOO CHEAP! JO wont do anything unless he can steal it or scare away the other investors to steal it. THATS A COWARD AND A CHEAT.

 

[Maiko]

Oh theres a good one. I do remember the contract with United that was cancelled in 98, which was just previously renewed. mmmm, whos the DORK

Spiff

Well, there is that PESKY contract we have with America West (now US Airways) until 2012 . . . DORK!

 

[Beantown]

Oh theres a good one. I do remember the contract with United that was cancelled in 98, which was just previously renewed. mmmm, whos the DORK

The United contract in 98 was cancelled because of poor performance. Mesa just finished the month of October with an A-14 of 90% (on-time) in the HP system with over 99% C.C factor. Sorry, but Mesa isn't going anywhere until at least 2012. -Bean

 

[islandhopper]

The United contract in 98 was cancelled because of poor performance. Mesa just finished the month of October with an A-14 of 90% (on-time) in the HP system with over 99% C.C factor. Sorry, but Mesa isn't going anywhere until at least 2012. -Bean

Mesa dispatch reliability is still somewhere round 96.5% Numbers like that caused Frontier to broom them in 02 as well.

96.5% on the mainland! I wonder what that will become in Hawaii? Safe to gamble at least 95% or worse. I'm hoping its down around 89% or south of that.

 

[synchoff]

Man, you guys take an annomoyous "DORKING" way, way, WAY too seriously.

I therefore "UN-Dork" any offended parties.

 

[synchoff]

The United contract in 98 was cancelled because of poor performance. Mesa just finished the month of October with an A-14 of 90% (on-time) in the HP system with over 99% C.C factor. Sorry, but Mesa isn't going anywhere until at least 2012. -Bean

Very true. And remember, the United contract was lost under our previous CEO, L. Risley. Under the current regime, it's grown exponentially. . . and scuttlebutt is that it's poised to grow much, much more. . . .(can you say CRJ 900?)

 

[Anais Nin]

Anyone know why Mesa's stock is so high lately? What is JO brewing over there?

 

[RJP]

I'm hoping its down around 89% or south of that.

If they get their way and Island Air provides them with 'contract service' rampers, it'll be somewhere south of 50%.......

 

[islandhopper]

Anyone know why Mesa's stock is so high lately? What is JO brewing over there?

All airlines are slightly up this week, on hopes of a recovery around the corner. Airlines are finally charging more for tickets and the busy travel season is upon us in about 5 days. (18th officially starts it)

Mesa stock is high because there is blood in the water. Mesa is a well known "war profiteer". As COMAIR, Whiskey, Mesaba, Pinnacle and others are parking airplanes Mesa is SPECULATED to be the winner, sliding right in and taking any flying thats left on the floor after all the damage is done.

 

[islandhopper]

If they get their way and Island Air provides them with 'contract service' rampers, it'll be somewhere south of 50%.......

And how much will mesa pay for this "service"? Maybe you guys can help lose a few bags in the process and get them sent them off to Chuuk on Air Mike.

imp:

 

[Beantown]

Mesa dispatch reliability is still somewhere round 96.5% Numbers like that caused Frontier to broom them in 02 as well.

96.5% on the mainland! I wonder what that will become in Hawaii? Safe to gamble at least 95% or worse. I'm hoping its down around 89% or south of that.

96.5%? Please. Proof? Maybe when you worked here. What I posted is fact and I CAN prove it. How about you?

Mesa actually dumped Frontier because UAL wouldn't allow Mesa to fly for a direct competor in DEN. Do you just make up your crap? I know your mad that Mesa is coming to Hawaii, but come on. Your acting like a 2 yr old. -Bean

 

[Anais Nin]

Mesa actually dumped Frontier because UAL wouldn't allow Mesa to fly for a direct competor in DEN. Do you just make up your crap? I know your mad that Mesa is coming to Hawaii, but come on.

Whoa.....albeit hostile, that is completely accurate!!! People love to make up stuff where Mesa is concerned. I think it makes 'em feel good!

 

[islandhopper]

I got the numbers from Bombardiers FRACAS reports.

2005 JULY Mesa (ASH) dispatch reliability 96.45% (3rd from bottom)
Last Quarter -- 97.25% (Bottom of list)
Last 12 months 97.16% (2nd from the bottom)

Thats out of 23 CRJ-200 operators worldwide, 1005 total aircraft. I can also quote cycles, hours anything else you'd like?

OWN3D!!!

96.5%? Please. Proof? Maybe when you worked here. What I posted is fact and I CAN prove it. How about you?

Mesa actually dumped Frontier because UAL wouldn't allow Mesa to fly for a direct competor in DEN. Do you just make up your crap? I know your mad that Mesa is coming to Hawaii, but come on. Your acting like a 2 yr old. -Bean

 

[islandhopper]

96.5%? Please. Proof? Maybe when you worked here. What I posted is fact and I CAN prove it. How about you?

Mesa actually dumped Frontier because UAL wouldn't allow Mesa to fly for a direct competor in DEN. Do you just make up your crap? I know your mad that Mesa is coming to Hawaii, but come on. Your acting like a 2 yr old. -Bean

And I was in DEN when Frontier Jet Express was launched. Mesa never executes well. Only 4 airplanes with sometimes two broken.

You might be right about F9 being dumped for UAL. I cant remember that for sure, I left for PHX before the F9 code got cancelled because I wasnt flying enough in DEN, no cancellation pay I was always being sent home because the $hit was always broken! I got to PHX just in time for summer where I swear 50% of the airplanes had inop'd APU's.

This, more than anything else is why I am not worried about Mesa in Hawaii. The FRACAS reports show the COMAIR airplanes JO is bragging he can get real cheap to be the highest cycles CRJ-200's on the planet. Bring it on.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Man, you guys take an annomoyous "DORKING" way, way, WAY too seriously.

I therefore "UN-Dork" any offended parties.

"UN-Dork" accepted....and appreciated!

PHXFLYR