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veneratio said:
Yes, but NO.
Our work rules provide for a minimum of 10 days off for reserves and 11 for line holders. Reserve lines are built with 10 days off, while lines are built with anywhere from 14-18 days off.
Reserve lines are also built with a number of "day prior notification" days. Last month I had a lot of days off. I've worked 2 days this month...
We may not be the ideal airline for commuters just yet, but if you live in base life doesn't get much better.
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Kept gettin a call from them to interview but I really do not like the idea I have to find my way out there and pay for my hotel plus car just to get the job. Friends who did interview told me they were not that impressed and pilots they talked to all said they get the crap flown out out of them with only 10-11 days off a month. Yes flying a big plane might be exciting for some but QOL should always be the most important.
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Everyone is getting the crap flown out of themselves huh.... Very Interesting since I've flown 88 hours since June 1st..
I highly doubt you've "kept" getting a call for an interview....
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Being home most nights, living in a base I like, and enjoying what I do at a good airline...that is quality of life to me. If you don't like that, it's good that you didn't come over.
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How about during October and November of last year I recieved 6 calls from your C.P. for an interview. I never went to the interview because of the reports coming in from my friends. I now have a better life then ever being home 14-16 days a month and being paid very well.
Bailey,
As you can see by the number of posts I've made (1), I'm not inclined to comment on this board and have been content to remain a passive observer. Your post changed that...
Any casual observer might deduce you know little about Allegiant or what QOL actually stands for.
(pssst...it stands for Quality of Life).
Compare Allegiant to almost ANY other airline job:
1. Living out of a bag, 4 days a week?....Nope
2. Away from your family?.....uh nope
3. In another face-less hotel?...uh, home in my own bed
4. Flying back-side of the clock...as of Nov, all day trips!
5. Eating airport/hotel food? ...lunch pale...momma's cooking.
6. Waiting for crew vans? How 'bout employee parking instead...
What QOL issues are you talking about????
We start at home and end at home...same day. Generally 2 legs, 1 out, 1 back. Pretty tough huh? Hours are generally in the mid 80s range with either a 3-on/4-off, or 4-on/3-off schedule...ouch!
And for your enlightenment, the only pilots that 'get the crap flown out of them' are the ones who want the extra flying and pick it up in open time...entirely discretionary and self-induced. They do this because the money leaves much to be desired. If you wanted to take issue w/ Allegiant, THAT would have been a valid arguement. That being said, we're in negotiation w/ mgt for a payraise and we're happy to say things are looking up...
By the way, most people I know couldn't care less about the size of the plane...QOL is everything, that's why we're here. If you don't like it, fine, work elsewhere...just make sure you know what you're talking about. If, as you say, QOL is everything to you, it appears you've walked away from a pretty good gig.
A little advise: stick to what you know and remain clear of conjecture or what your little 'friends' say. Broadcasting your 'expertise' is counterproductive to the intent and purpose of this otherwise useful website.
Get the facts and then comment, otherwise you risk looking like an ignorant fool.
"Better to remain silent and be considered a fool than opening your mouth and confirming it".
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Again, I highly doubt you received any more than 1 call from our CP.
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Here'a nice little article on our airline...
Gas guzzling and noisy, the MD-80 is the aging, seemingly indestructible jalopy of the skies.
“They fly forever,” said Roger King, an aviation analyst at the research firm CreditSights. But with newer jetliners offering better fuel efficiency, a quieter ride and more comfort, the MD-80 is increasingly unloved by airlines. “Everyone wants to get rid of them,” Mr. King said.
Everyone, that is, but Allegiant Air, an upstart low-cost carrier based in Las Vegas that has built a quirky but profitable strategy around the MD-80.
Allegiant’s fleet of 21 planes would have cost about $1 billion if it had bought new Boeing 737-700’s, the plane favored by Southwest Airlines, with a list price around $54 million each. But with used MD-80’s selling for about $4 million each, the Allegiant fleet, averaging 16 years old, costs less than a tenth that.
Allegiant’s success is the latest sign that traditional hub-and-spoke carriers like American Airlines and United Airlines remain highly vulnerable to small and nimble competitors willing to take a different approach to the business.
Allegiant is preparing for a public offering of shares, hoping to raise at least $100 million, in what could be the most prominent initial stock offering by a domestic airline since a flurry of industry offerings that began with JetBlue Airways in 2002.
Even with its huge fuel bills, Allegiant’s costs are about 15 percent lower than Southwest’s. Allegiant flies nonstop from about 40 small cities like Duluth, Minn.; Allentown, Pa.; and Idaho Falls, Idaho, to the country’s two most popular vacation destinations, Las Vegas and Orlando, Fla. Bigger carriers, typically serving such cities with smaller regional jets instead of full-size planes like the MD-80, require connections through hub airports to reach Las Vegas or Orlando.
Allegiant’s one-way fares, some as low as $69 and with the top fare on a route $239, average about $94.
Cheap planes and a route network that largely avoids head-to-head competition against bigger airlines have made Allegiant steadily profitable since 2003, a rarity in the business. For the first six months of 2006, Allegiant reported a profit of $11.5 million on revenue of $119.3 million.
It attracted an early investment of $7.5 million, as part of a $34.5 million private equity placement, from the Ryan family of Ireland, which founded Ryanair, Europe’s leading low-cost airline.
Much of the management team once worked at ValuJet, a low-cost airline that was grounded in 1996 after a crash in the Florida Everglades that killed all 110 aboard. ValuJet restarted operations, merged with AirTran Airways and adopted the then smaller carrier’s name, which helped ease the taint of the crash.
Maurice J. Gallagher Jr., Allegiant’s chief executive, was a founder of ValuJet and an officer and director until its merger with AirTran in 1997. M. Ponder Harrison, managing director for marketing and sales at Allegiant, held a similar post at ValuJet. And Robert L. Priddy, chief executive of ValuJet until 1997, is an Allegiant board member.
Allegiant would use the proceeds from the share offering to buy more MD-80’s and link as many as 60 additional small cities to Las Vegas or Orlando — bad news for established carriers. It has also begun connecting about a dozen small cities to Tampa, Fla.
The market share of low-cost carriers has doubled since 1998, to about 35 percent, and will keep growing as Southwest, JetBlue and others add planes. Allegiant, founded in 1997, adopted its current strategy as it emerged from bankruptcy protection in 2002. Previously, Allegiant operated routes in the West and tried to attract business travelers.
As big airlines sell off their older planes, there will be plenty of MD-80’s available to support the growth of Allegiant, which shoehorns 150 seats into a plane, and possibly other niche carriers. American alone has more than 300 MD-80’s; Delta Air Lines more than 100.
Allegiant is a popular choice in out-of-the-way locales. “It’s a lot more convenient,” said Kate Coppock, 22, who flew with her parents on Allegiant from Colorado Springs this month for her Las Vegas wedding at a casino hotel.
In the past, said Ms. Coppock, a lifeguard at a Y.M.C.A., she had to drive to Denver, more than an hour away, to catch a direct flight to Las Vegas.
Price is important in such leisure markets. Connie Houx, 61, of Pueblo, Colo., works 10 to 14 hours a day providing home care for the elderly. She paid $144.60 round trip recently by booking weeks in advance to fly from Colorado Springs. She planned to stay with her sister, who lives in Las Vegas, because “it doesn’t cost anything.”
So far, bigger airlines have mostly left Allegiant alone. “We believe our market strategy has had the benefit of not appearing hostile” to big carriers, Allegiant said in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing in connection with the proposed share offering.
Of course, its rapid growth is likely to invite competition. Northwest Airlines, which operates in some of the same smaller Midwest cities as Allegiant, began nonstop flights in 2005 to Las Vegas from Des Moines; Sioux Falls, S.D.; and Fargo, N.D., going head-to-head with Allegiant.
Northwest, though, plans to discontinue those flights next month, a spokesman said, because the routes were not financially successful.
Joe Leonard, chairman and chief executive of AirTran, which battles Delta in Atlanta, said Allegiant had “a very workable strategy; I think they’ll do well.”
Allegiant’s executives, including Mr. Gallagher, the chief executive, declined to be interviewed for this article because of the quiet period imposed before a stock offering.
The airline is also known for charging extra for just about everything besides the seat and the seat belt, a practice widely adopted in Europe by Ryanair. Allegiant gets fees for booking passengers’ hotels and car rental. Food, soft drinks and reserved-seat assignments cost extra — bringing in, during the first six months of 2006, an average of $13.58 a passenger.
“That’s world class,” said Andrew Watterson, a director focusing on airlines at Mercer Management Consulting. Ryanair collected a little more than $10 a passenger last year in ancillary fees, Mr. Watterson estimated, and United, close to $13 a passenger, in large part by selling frequent-flier miles to other companies that use them as rewards. But the mileage business is growing more slowly now, he said, and the unbundling of services once included in the ticket price seems more attractive.
Mr. Watterson said airlines needed new sources of revenue, with spontaneous purchases considered best. With the Internet, passengers hunt for the cheapest fare. But once aboard, they are not so penny-pinching, he said, and are willing to pay for conveniences. “Just as people who buy a two-liter bottle of soda at a discount retailer for 99 cents will pay the same price for a 0.35-liter can at a vending machine,” Mr. Watterson wrote in a recent report.
Costly new planes require Southwest, JetBlue and others to fly an aircraft as many hours a day as possible. JetBlue flies its planes about 13 hours a day. Operating costs are low. Maintenance is light the first few years. And a 737-700, for instance, needs just about 75 cents of fuel for every $1 poured into an MD-80.
But paying so little for MD-80’s, Allegiant lets other factors dictate its schedule, flying its aircraft about seven hours a day. To keep labor costs down, it typically flies a plane to and from a city that is no more than four hours from Orlando or Las Vegas. That way, only a single shift of workers is required. It tries to have all the planes back each night in Las Vegas and Orlando, where maintenance is centralized.
Allegiant workers are not members of unions, which is unusual among airlines. But pilots there recently formed an association and asked for better pay, Allegiant said in the S.E.C. filing. The company and the pilots have been holding talks.
Smaller airports — which suffered a loss of traffic after Sept. 11, 2001 — like Allegiant. Springfield-Branson National Airport in Springfield, Mo., helped attract Allegiant by allowing it to pay to use airport employees as needed, rather than hire its own full-time employees to run the ticket counter and to load bags, a spokesman for the airport, Kent Boyd, said.
Gas guzzling and noisy, the MD-80 is the aging, seemingly indestructible jalopy of the skies.
“They fly forever,” said Roger King, an aviation analyst at the research firm CreditSights. But with newer jetliners offering better fuel efficiency, a quieter ride and more comfort, the MD-80 is increasingly unloved by airlines. “Everyone wants to get rid of them,” Mr. King said.
Everyone, that is, but Allegiant Air, an upstart low-cost carrier based in Las Vegas that has built a quirky but profitable strategy around the MD-80.
Allegiant’s fleet of 21 planes would have cost about $1 billion if it had bought new Boeing 737-700’s, the plane favored by Southwest Airlines, with a list price around $54 million each. But with used MD-80’s selling for about $4 million each, the Allegiant fleet, averaging 16 years old, costs less than a tenth that.
Allegiant’s success is the latest sign that traditional hub-and-spoke carriers like American Airlines and United Airlines remain highly vulnerable to small and nimble competitors willing to take a different approach to the business.
Allegiant is preparing for a public offering of shares, hoping to raise at least $100 million, in what could be the most prominent initial stock offering by a domestic airline since a flurry of industry offerings that began with JetBlue Airways in 2002.
Even with its huge fuel bills, Allegiant’s costs are about 15 percent lower than Southwest’s. Allegiant flies nonstop from about 40 small cities like Duluth, Minn.; Allentown, Pa.; and Idaho Falls, Idaho, to the country’s two most popular vacation destinations, Las Vegas and Orlando, Fla. Bigger carriers, typically serving such cities with smaller regional jets instead of full-size planes like the MD-80, require connections through hub airports to reach Las Vegas or Orlando.
Allegiant’s one-way fares, some as low as $69 and with the top fare on a route $239, average about $94.
Cheap planes and a route network that largely avoids head-to-head competition against bigger airlines have made Allegiant steadily profitable since 2003, a rarity in the business. For the first six months of 2006, Allegiant reported a profit of $11.5 million on revenue of $119.3 million.
It attracted an early investment of $7.5 million, as part of a $34.5 million private equity placement, from the Ryan family of Ireland, which founded Ryanair, Europe’s leading low-cost airline.
Much of the management team once worked at ValuJet, a low-cost airline that was grounded in 1996 after a crash in the Florida Everglades that killed all 110 aboard. ValuJet restarted operations, merged with AirTran Airways and adopted the then smaller carrier’s name, which helped ease the taint of the crash.
Maurice J. Gallagher Jr., Allegiant’s chief executive, was a founder of ValuJet and an officer and director until its merger with AirTran in 1997. M. Ponder Harrison, managing director for marketing and sales at Allegiant, held a similar post at ValuJet. And Robert L. Priddy, chief executive of ValuJet until 1997, is an Allegiant board member.
Allegiant would use the proceeds from the share offering to buy more MD-80’s and link as many as 60 additional small cities to Las Vegas or Orlando — bad news for established carriers. It has also begun connecting about a dozen small cities to Tampa, Fla.
The market share of low-cost carriers has doubled since 1998, to about 35 percent, and will keep growing as Southwest, JetBlue and others add planes. Allegiant, founded in 1997, adopted its current strategy as it emerged from bankruptcy protection in 2002. Previously, Allegiant operated routes in the West and tried to attract business travelers.
As big airlines sell off their older planes, there will be plenty of MD-80’s available to support the growth of Allegiant, which shoehorns 150 seats into a plane, and possibly other niche carriers. American alone has more than 300 MD-80’s; Delta Air Lines more than 100.
Allegiant is a popular choice in out-of-the-way locales. “It’s a lot more convenient,” said Kate Coppock, 22, who flew with her parents on Allegiant from Colorado Springs this month for her Las Vegas wedding at a casino hotel.
In the past, said Ms. Coppock, a lifeguard at a Y.M.C.A., she had to drive to Denver, more than an hour away, to catch a direct flight to Las Vegas.
Price is important in such leisure markets. Connie Houx, 61, of Pueblo, Colo., works 10 to 14 hours a day providing home care for the elderly. She paid $144.60 round trip recently by booking weeks in advance to fly from Colorado Springs. She planned to stay with her sister, who lives in Las Vegas, because “it doesn’t cost anything.”
So far, bigger airlines have mostly left Allegiant alone. “We believe our market strategy has had the benefit of not appearing hostile” to big carriers, Allegiant said in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing in connection with the proposed share offering.
Of course, its rapid growth is likely to invite competition. Northwest Airlines, which operates in some of the same smaller Midwest cities as Allegiant, began nonstop flights in 2005 to Las Vegas from Des Moines; Sioux Falls, S.D.; and Fargo, N.D., going head-to-head with Allegiant.
Northwest, though, plans to discontinue those flights next month, a spokesman said, because the routes were not financially successful.
Joe Leonard, chairman and chief executive of AirTran, which battles Delta in Atlanta, said Allegiant had “a very workable strategy; I think they’ll do well.”
Allegiant’s executives, including Mr. Gallagher, the chief executive, declined to be interviewed for this article because of the quiet period imposed before a stock offering.
The airline is also known for charging extra for just about everything besides the seat and the seat belt, a practice widely adopted in Europe by Ryanair. Allegiant gets fees for booking passengers’ hotels and car rental. Food, soft drinks and reserved-seat assignments cost extra — bringing in, during the first six months of 2006, an average of $13.58 a passenger.
“That’s world class,” said Andrew Watterson, a director focusing on airlines at Mercer Management Consulting. Ryanair collected a little more than $10 a passenger last year in ancillary fees, Mr. Watterson estimated, and United, close to $13 a passenger, in large part by selling frequent-flier miles to other companies that use them as rewards. But the mileage business is growing more slowly now, he said, and the unbundling of services once included in the ticket price seems more attractive.
Mr. Watterson said airlines needed new sources of revenue, with spontaneous purchases considered best. With the Internet, passengers hunt for the cheapest fare. But once aboard, they are not so penny-pinching, he said, and are willing to pay for conveniences. “Just as people who buy a two-liter bottle of soda at a discount retailer for 99 cents will pay the same price for a 0.35-liter can at a vending machine,” Mr. Watterson wrote in a recent report.
Costly new planes require Southwest, JetBlue and others to fly an aircraft as many hours a day as possible. JetBlue flies its planes about 13 hours a day. Operating costs are low. Maintenance is light the first few years. And a 737-700, for instance, needs just about 75 cents of fuel for every $1 poured into an MD-80.
But paying so little for MD-80’s, Allegiant lets other factors dictate its schedule, flying its aircraft about seven hours a day. To keep labor costs down, it typically flies a plane to and from a city that is no more than four hours from Orlando or Las Vegas. That way, only a single shift of workers is required. It tries to have all the planes back each night in Las Vegas and Orlando, where maintenance is centralized.
Allegiant workers are not members of unions, which is unusual among airlines. But pilots there recently formed an association and asked for better pay, Allegiant said in the S.E.C. filing. The company and the pilots have been holding talks.
Smaller airports — which suffered a loss of traffic after Sept. 11, 2001 — like Allegiant. Springfield-Branson National Airport in Springfield, Mo., helped attract Allegiant by allowing it to pay to use airport employees as needed, rather than hire its own full-time employees to run the ticket counter and to load bags, a spokesman for the airport, Kent Boyd, said.
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With Allegiant’s nonstop flights to Las Vegas, the Branson airport employees have the added enjoyment of seeing celebrities who split their time between Branson and Las Vegas pass through the terminal, Mr. Boyd said, adding, “Tony Orlando — I’ve seen him fly Allegiant to Las Vegas.”
Greater Peoria Regional Airport in Illinois said that 242 people from the area fly to Las Vegas every day. With Allegiant there since March 2004, the airport captures about half those fliers, more than before, while some people still drive three hours to Chicago for a nonstop flight.
Tim Davis, president of Suzi Davis Travel in nearby Bloomington, Ill., canceled the twice-a-year charter flights to Las Vegas he once organized after Allegiant arrived in Peoria, but books a lot of people on the airline.
“The convenience will make people go who wouldn’t go,” Mr. Davis said. Also, as an owner of the airport’s restaurant and bar, he added, Allegiant’s morning flight “has been really good for our bloody mary sales.”
With Allegiant’s nonstop flights to Las Vegas, the Branson airport employees have the added enjoyment of seeing celebrities who split their time between Branson and Las Vegas pass through the terminal, Mr. Boyd said, adding, “Tony Orlando — I’ve seen him fly Allegiant to Las Vegas.”
Greater Peoria Regional Airport in Illinois said that 242 people from the area fly to Las Vegas every day. With Allegiant there since March 2004, the airport captures about half those fliers, more than before, while some people still drive three hours to Chicago for a nonstop flight.
Tim Davis, president of Suzi Davis Travel in nearby Bloomington, Ill., canceled the twice-a-year charter flights to Las Vegas he once organized after Allegiant arrived in Peoria, but books a lot of people on the airline.
“The convenience will make people go who wouldn’t go,” Mr. Davis said. Also, as an owner of the airport’s restaurant and bar, he added, Allegiant’s morning flight “has been really good for our bloody mary sales.”
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