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Allegiant upgrades FO while still in new hire training

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A new hire MD-80 first officer was recently awarded a captain position at Allegiant's HOM base (perpetual TDY base) while still in initial new hire training. This has to be an industry record. Meanwhile, senior first officers are deferring upgrade by the dozen to avoid the constant TDY that tends to happen when you are junior at Allegiant. How can the FAA allow this to happen? Talk about dangerous...
 

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A new hire MD-80 first officer was recently awarded a captain position at Allegiant's HOM base (perpetual TDY base) while still in initial new hire training. This has to be an industry record. Meanwhile, senior first officers are deferring upgrade by the dozen to avoid the constant TDY that tends to happen when you are junior at Allegiant. How can the FAA allow this to happen? Talk about dangerous...

Is he qualified to be a PIC on the aircraft to which he will be assigned? If yes, why would the FAA have an interest?

Is the concept of Street Captain foreign to you?
 

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Is he qualified to be a PIC on the aircraft to which he will be assigned? If yes, why would the FAA have an interest?

Is the concept of Street Captain foreign to you?

I'm assuming you haven't flown the MD-80. It's a little more antiquated than your average regional jet and can bite you if you don't have much experience flying it. Allegiant allows green on green flying, brand new captains fly with brand new FO's. To go straight into a captain position on this airplane with no prior experience on the DC-9 type could be unsafe.
 

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The LCC's will become tomorrows regionals as the current regionals evaporate. The classes are full I assume?
 

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I'm assuming you haven't flown the MD-80. It's a little more antiquated than your average regional jet and can bite you if you don't have much experience flying it. Allegiant allows green on green flying, brand new captains fly with brand new FO's. To go straight into a captain position on this airplane with no prior experience on the DC-9 type could be unsafe.

Please stop the drama.
 

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I would imagine that the carriers insurance requires a pic to have minimum times and he meets them. If he passed his type ride, especially in the current environment over there he's good to go. This is no different than a senior 777 or 747 FO that decides to go fly the left seat in the 80 for AA or DAL. Jetblue gets 320 guys in the left seat of the 190 who've never touched an embaer. This is the industry.

It's a plane. Be safe have fun.
 

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I'm assuming you haven't flown the MD-80. It's a little more antiquated than your average regional jet and can bite you if you don't have much experience flying it. Allegiant allows green on green flying, brand new captains fly with brand new FO's. To go straight into a captain position on this airplane with no prior experience on the DC-9 type could be unsafe.

Guilty as charged. I have not flown the MD-80. Should we consider the possibility that this pilot has flown the MD-80 in the course of previous employment?

Green on green goes away if the "green" captain already has a couple of thousand hours in type.
 

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A new hire MD-80 first officer was recently awarded a captain position at Allegiant's HOM base (perpetual TDY base) while still in initial new hire training.

How do you know this happened ?
 

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Pilots are such drama queens. Upgrading into an airplane that someone hasn't flown before has been happening before all of us were born and it will happen long after we are all dust. This is really about a person who doesn't like XYZ company and the company today happens to be Allegiant. If person passes ground school, sim evaluations and IOE what is your gripe exactly? And save the he needs some experience in the airplane argument because how do companies get initial cadre check airmen captains qualified into planes they've never flown before?
 

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That's dangerous!
 

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Yep,
They can upgrade immediately if you haven't learned by now, the FAA does on occasion let you be "Dead Right"
 

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My cousin Boudreaux got hired by ultra-low-cost Turnover Airlines. So many people were quitting that he became Chief Pilot while still on probation. :D
 

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My cousin Boudreaux got hired by ultra-low-cost Turnover Airlines. So many people were quitting that he became Chief Pilot while still on probation. :D

Must be a slacker.

Should be DO or VP-Ops.

:D
 

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Pilots are such drama queens. Upgrading into an airplane that someone hasn't flown before has been happening before all of us were born and it will happen long after we are all dust. This is really about a person who doesn't like XYZ company and the company today happens to be Allegiant. If person passes ground school, sim evaluations and IOE what is your gripe exactly? And save the he needs some experience in the airplane argument because how do companies get initial cadre check airmen captains qualified into planes they've never flown before?

Yeah, what this guy said. I know the Shady-80 isn't an Easy Bee trainer - but it's not a TU-144 either. They fly these things all over the globe, occaisionally by some yocal who can't find his butt with either hand, and usually everyone walks away. For all we know, this guy might have thousands of hours on the MD from some other random airline. God, all kinds of guys upgrading to the 80 at my company who've never flown one - believe me, they're not astronauts. (Usually.)
 

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Shouldn't the OP be happy that there are opportunities being granted to qualified new hires at that company?
 

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Shouldn't the OP be happy that there are opportunities being granted to qualified new hires at that company?
Not when the opportunities are there because the work rules, pay and QOL are so far below industry standard for the type of planes and flying the company does.
 

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Was your company's training department shut down by the feds? Was the band aid your company put on it so flimsy that the feds are requiring orals be done at the FSDO?

Nope. I was not aware that happened at ALG, if it did. Sounds like a solid operation.
 

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A new hire MD-80 first officer was recently awarded a captain position at Allegiant's HOM base (perpetual TDY base) while still in initial new hire training. This has to be an industry record. Meanwhile, senior first officers are deferring upgrade by the dozen to avoid the constant TDY that tends to happen when you are junior at Allegiant. How can the FAA allow this to happen? Talk about dangerous...

Did he/she have a Type in the a/c already?
 
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