Allegiant seeks B757s, may create alter-ego airline

[WSurf]

I believe US Airways is in the process of dumping some 757s.

 

[crj567]

WOW-

I would never have guessed Allegiant would even try and pull an alter ego given the payscales!!!!

Amazing what has happened to this industry.

-It won't be long before someone is paying the airline to fly these planes. I can totally see some airline exec saying "people need experience in a heavy to get on at a real airline-so for only $60k, we will give them a type and 1,000 hours in the right seat!"


-I'll bet we will see an ad to this effect in the back of AOPA and flying mags within a year!
-And we thought Gulfstream was bad!

 

[armani]

I'm not getting the whole premise here--can someone please explain? If there is no union, and Gallagher claims that he can impose whatever pay rates he pleases, then why the need for the additional operating certificate? Why not just put the 75s on the Allegiant certificate and establish MD-80 pay rates for them? I realize that this could galvanize a unionization drive, but wouldn't setting up an alter ego do the same?

For the ETOPS Cert. It is just a faster and cheaper way to do it.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

WOW-

I would never have guessed Allegiant would even try and pull an alter ego given the payscales!!!!

No kidding, its almost as bad as you trying to pretend you're an adult!

Amazing what has happened to this industry.

No more amazing than the incredible amount stupidity you continue to display! Just goes to show you what those hospitals are doing now for the mentally challenged!

-It won't be long before someone is paying the airline to fly these planes. I can totally see some airline exec saying "people need experience in a heavy to get on at a real airline-so for only $60k, we will give them a type and 1,000 hours in the right seat!"

Is that kind of like you volunteering to work the grill on fryer pay?

-I'll bet we will see an ad to this effect in the back of AOPA and flying mags within a year!

Right next to your add in that colorful "Wendy's uniform."

-And we thought Gulfstream was bad!

I'm sure you consider that mouse in your pants company, but there's no "we" in anything about you, dumbass!
Time to move on Tanker Clown, this loser name is getting boring too!

 

[ALPO]

Delta / Comair, ASA, Freedom, Mesa, Republic, Chautauqua, Shuttle America, ACA, SkyWest, Mesaba, Pinnacle, ExpressJet, Compass

Freedom and Mesa are one senority list, something they fought hard for, same with Republic,Chautauqua and Shuttle America. Its called scope

 

[ALPO]

I'm not getting the whole premise here--can someone please explain? If there is no union, and Gallagher claims that he can impose whatever pay rates he pleases, then why the need for the additional operating certificate? Why not just put the 75s on the Allegiant certificate and establish MD-80 pay rates for them? I realize that this could galvanize a unionization drive, but wouldn't setting up an alter ego do the same?

Divide and Conquer my freind

 

[runwayjockey]

You can't just buy an ETOPS certificate, wasn't this discussed before?
Let the whipsawing begin!!!!!

 

[Draginass]

So the bottom feeder of the industry is going to create an even lower bottom feeder. Wow.

 

[crj567]

No kidding, its almost as bad as you trying to pretend you're an adult!


No more amazing than the incredible amount stupidity you continue to display! Just goes to show you what those hospitals are doing now for the mentally challenged!


Is that kind of like you volunteering to work the grill on fryer pay?



Right next to your add in that colorful "Wendy's uniform."


I'm sure you consider that mouse in your pants company, but there's no "we" in anything about you, dumbass!
Time to move on Tanker Clown, this loser name is getting boring too!

-Classy, General-

-Now, go back to whatever gay troll things you were up to...

 

[relief tube]

have you seen allegiants payscales? some regionals CA's make more!

this is not good!! The world was so much better when there wasn't 1000 airlines out there, 1/2 of them with ********************ty pay.

 

[On Your Six]

Deja Vu....

Haven't we seen this before out of Las Vegas? Wasn't it called NATIONAL AIRLINES in the latter 1990s? Just ask the CEO Conway (ex America West) how that went...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

-Classy, General-

-Now, go back to whatever gay troll things you were up to...

Your constant of the General and "gay," is quite disturbing. Do your captains know about you? Or do you just surprise them when you jump into that cozy rj "cock"pit!

 

[VxClimb]

Haven't we seen this before out of Las Vegas? Wasn't it called NATIONAL AIRLINES in the latter 1990s? Just ask the CEO Conway (ex America West) how that went...

Funny you should bring that up.................


LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 18, 2003

Allegiant AirAllegiant Air is an American low fare airline, owned by Allegiant Travel Co. (NASDAQ: ALGT), headquartered in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. The airline operates scheduled and charter flights from focus cities at Las Vegas' McCarran International Airport, Orlando Sanford
..... Click the link for more information. today announced that James R. Carr has joined the Las Vegas-based airline as Vice President, Operations.

In this newly created position, Carr is responsible for management of the airline's flight operations, crews, and crew training and dispatch functions. Carr most recently served as Senior Vice President, Operations at National Airlines. He had also previously served as Vice President, Flight Operations for America West AirlinesAmerica West Airlines was one of the United States' ten major airlines. The airline was based in Tempe, Arizona, and is now a part of US Airways Group.

At the time of its integration into US Airways, the airline maintained two hubs, one at Phoenix Sky Harbor International
..... Click the link for more information..

"Jim brings to Allegiant Air an outstanding record of airline operations managementOperations management is an area of business that is concerned with the production of goods and services, and involves the responsibility of ensuring that business operations are efficient and effective.
..... Click the link for more information. experience, and we are very pleased that he has joined our company in this key role," said Maurice J. Gallagher, Allegiant chairman. "His leadership will help our company continue to meet the highest standards of safety, reliability and passenger comfort in our daily flight operations."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Alleg...rr+as+VP,+Operations;+Industry...-a0107899683

 

[chperplt]

Funny you should bring that up.................

What's your point? A nearly 6 year old article??

 

[VxClimb]

What's your point? A nearly 6 year old article??

National Airlines, America West, James Carr, Management, Allegiant. Just pointing out some similarities....sounds like someone is on edge.

 

[fly4surf]

And the voice that brought you
"if you want a retirement flip houses"
& my favorite.....
"if you want to fly the 757 you can apply there"

Welcome to Allegiant.
Please make it right and get the support required for a pilot group.

 

[HalinTexas]

It won't be with ATA's cert. That is gone.

SWA bought it to get LGA gates/slots. ETOPS was not in the offing, so there's no certification to go with it. No airplanes, either.

It took AK 22 months to get ETOPS cert. on their B737's. Count on it taking a similar amount of time for Allegiant.

 

[ualdriver]

I'm not getting the whole premise here--can someone please explain? If there is no union, and Gallagher claims that he can impose whatever pay rates he pleases, then why the need for the additional operating certificate? Why not just put the 75s on the Allegiant certificate and establish MD-80 pay rates for them? I realize that this could galvanize a unionization drive, but wouldn't setting up an alter ego do the same?

Divide and Conquer my freind

Yup. Gallagher knows that no matter what he does, he's going to piss off his pilots, possibly getting even a weak group like these guys to unionize. If he gets the 757 on a separate certificate, he can set up a whipsaw. That way, if the Allegiant pilots unionize and ask for something ridiculous like industry standard wages or a retirement, he can just threaten that the MD-80 guys are "too expensive" and move the flying to the opposite certificate.

The guys on the 757 side will be happy and content, with their shiny new 757's and wouldn't dare "tip the apple cart" to ruin their good deal on their side of the fence by doing something stupid like unionizing or complaining. They'll have fast growth and upgrades, and will care less about what is happening to their MD-80 brethren. These 757 pilots will also be on forums like flightinfo.com, vigorously defending their low pay rates just as the Allegiant MD-80 pilots have done for years. Expect to hear phrases like "we're just starting out," and "we only have xx airplanes, how can we affect wages elsewhere," and, my personal favorite, "we have a great relationship with management."

In my opinion, the Allegiant pilots are now in a serious pickle, being screwed no matter they do. Had they organized years ago when they should have, they would have at least been able to put up an organized front from the beginning and perhaps gotten wording in their contract that would have prevented a separate certificate. Would any Virgin America guys like to comment on what's unfolding at Allegiant?

 

[UALjan15]

Thanks, ualdriver.....great explanation. If he succeeds, it will make a nice blueprint for startup management industry-wide. Makes me ill...

 

[johnsonrod]

Yup. Gallagher knows that no matter what he does, he's going to piss off his pilots, possibly getting even a weak group like these guys to unionize. If he gets the 757 on a separate certificate, he can set up a whipsaw. That way, if the Allegiant pilots unionize and ask for something ridiculous like industry standard wages or a retirement, he can just threaten that the MD-80 guys are "too expensive" and move the flying to the opposite certificate.

The guys on the 757 side will be happy and content, with their shiny new 757's and wouldn't dare "tip the apple cart" to ruin their good deal on their side of the fence by doing something stupid like unionizing or complaining. They'll have fast growth and upgrades, and will care less about what is happening to their MD-80 brethren. These 757 pilots will also be on forums like flightinfo.com, vigorously defending their low pay rates just as the Allegiant MD-80 pilots have done for years. Expect to hear phrases like "we're just starting out," and "we only have xx airplanes, how can we affect wages elsewhere," and, my personal favorite, "we have a great relationship with management."

In my opinion, the Allegiant pilots are now in a serious pickle, being screwed no matter they do. Had they organized years ago when they should have, they would have at least been able to put up an organized front from the beginning and perhaps gotten wording in their contract that would have prevented a separate certificate. Would any Virgin America guys like to comment on what's unfolding at Allegiant?

Good review. That said, the MD80 is not a 757. I doubt you will see 757s operating on the LAX-DSM, LAS-ICT or SFB-BGR routes. The 757 will be used for different missions I would think (i.e., Hawaii after ETOPS is achieved down the road). I don't see as much whipsaw potential because an MD80 can't necessarily do 757 missions - they would have to be relatively short-haul to provide whipsaw potential. Do you think you would see 757s flying the LAS-DSM or IWA-MSO flights? I can see 757s operating out of LAX, LAX and SFB due to large population bases.

Should be interesting to watch. Any prediction on when we might start seeing the 757s? Any date estimates yet? As early as 2010?