Allegiant Reports First Quarter 2008 Financial Results

[BRA]

tico,

Don't forget Alaska has been around 75 years. How long was the last "good idea" airline that solely served LAS around? 5 years? Do you remember their name?

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Allegiant's long term survival flying MD-80s in this environment. Additionally, do you really WANT to be a pariah among other airline pilots? Someone who goes to work for a non-Union carrier who undercuts YOUR salary by $50 an hour?

If you do, you'd better move to LAS because more and more Union pilots are refusing to give jumpseat rides to people who are stabbing us in the back.

Soley served LAS? This is a funny post!

 

[Daytonaflyer]

tico,

Don't forget Alaska has been around 75 years. How long was the last "good idea" airline that solely served LAS around? 5 years? Do you remember their name?

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Allegiant's long term survival flying MD-80s in this environment. Additionally, do you really WANT to be a pariah among other airline pilots? Someone who goes to work for a non-Union carrier who undercuts YOUR salary by $50 an hour?

If you do, you'd better move to LAS because more and more Union pilots are refusing to give jumpseat rides to people who are stabbing us in the back.

Um...in fact, Allegiant does fly MD-80s, and we have already proven that we can make money in this environment. So what point were you trying to make?

Also, we serve much more than just Las Vegas. We have 9 bases and we serve almost as many destinations as Southwest Airlines.
But we don't compete on any routes that the major airlines fly. We don't even compete on routes with most regional airlines.

If you're going to threaten to refuse jumpseats to people who make less money than you, you're going to have to deny boarding to:

-Air Wisconsin
-Allegiant
-Amerijet
-American Eagle
-ASA
-Champion Air
-Colgan Air
-Comair
-Commut Air
-Compass
-Era
-ExpressJet
-GoJet (f*ck GoJet)
-Great Lakes
-Gulfstream
-Horizon
-Island Air
-JetBlue
-Kalitta Air
-Lynx
-Mesa
-Mesaba
-Miami Air
-Midwest
-North American
-Omni Air
-Piedmont
-Pinnacle
-PSA
-Republic
-Ryan Int'l
-Skywest
-Spirit
-Sun Country
-Trans States
-USA 3000
-US Air
-USA Jet
-Virgin America
-Xtra Airways
-and many other 135, charter, and cargo operators

And by the way, we've been around for 11 years; more than your 5 year limit.

 

[chperplt]

tico,

Don't forget Alaska has been around 75 years. How long was the last "good idea" airline that solely served LAS around? 5 years? Do you remember their name?

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Allegiant's long term survival flying MD-80s in this environment. Additionally, do you really WANT to be a pariah among other airline pilots? Someone who goes to work for a non-Union carrier who undercuts YOUR salary by $50 an hour?

If you do, you'd better move to LAS because more and more Union pilots are refusing to give jumpseat rides to people who are stabbing us in the back.

Hey bub.... Might want to research Allegiant before opening up the pie hole.

First of all, only 47ish% of our operations run out of Vegas. Secondly, we're making the money we're making in this environment because of our MD80s.

Get a clue...

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Don't forget Alaska has been around 75 years. How long was the last "good idea" airline that solely served LAS around? 5 years? Do you remember their name?

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Allegiant's long term survival flying MD-80s in this environment. Additionally, do you really WANT to be a pariah among other airline pilots? Someone who goes to work for a non-Union carrier who undercuts YOUR salary by $50 an hour?

If you do, you'd better move to LAS because more and more Union pilots are refusing to give jumpseat rides to people who are stabbing us in the back.

Wow, this guy just totally put us in our place. I'm so ashamed. I will never try to jumpseat anywhere now. I'm too afraid of what the unionized captain will do to me. I'm gonna go apply to work at Mesa now because at least they're UNIONIZED. :crying:

 

[maxpayrollcruz]

tico,

Don't forget Alaska has been around 75 years. How long was the last "good idea" airline that solely served LAS around? 5 years? Do you remember their name?

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Allegiant's long term survival flying MD-80s in this environment. Additionally, do you really WANT to be a pariah among other airline pilots? Someone who goes to work for a non-Union carrier who undercuts YOUR salary by $50 an hour?

If you do, you'd better move to LAS because more and more Union pilots are refusing to give jumpseat rides to people who are stabbing us in the back.

What an idiot. Plain and simple.

 

[tico]

tico,

Don't forget Alaska has been around 75 years. How long was the last "good idea" airline that solely served LAS around? 5 years? Do you remember their name?

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Allegiant's long term survival flying MD-80s in this environment. Additionally, do you really WANT to be a pariah among other airline pilots? Someone who goes to work for a non-Union carrier who undercuts YOUR salary by $50 an hour?

If you do, you'd better move to LAS because more and more Union pilots are refusing to give jumpseat rides to people who are stabbing us in the back.

Dude,
Did I say anything about the 50 bucks an hour or hourly rates at all. I simply pointed out that at 12 years the allegiant dude will have earned more money than I will at Alaska.....Given the rates of pay that exist now.....Ours are not going up in the future and Allegiants probably will....It comes down to the work harder make more money concept.....We cant and dont get any more for 100 hrs of credit then 75 hours of credit.......It will come down to that for all of us eventually....If we want more we will have to sign a contract that lets us work more for a premium.......Why the he11 am I explaining that to you anyway......Geez

 

[labbats]

That's not adding in the already agreed on raises for the next two years at Allegiant.

Name one other LCC or major where you can upgrade in under 2-3 years. Particularly after this age 65 ruling.

This thread has one thing in common with every other FI Allegiant thread I've ever come across. Someone with no idea what Allegiant does yet has the need to put it down.

 

[Caveman]

Wow. I was totally misunderstood. I support the Allegiant pilots. I understand Allegiant's MO and business plan. All I'm saying is Allegiant is no longer a new start up. They are established. They are making money in a tough industry. They can afford to pay their pilots more and the captains in particular ARE severely underpaid.

Those of you trying to compare 10 year earnings at Allegiant to any other carrier are comparing apples to oranges. How much does a CA make at Allegiant? All but the most senior are making less than $100 bucks an hour. I don't care how fast you can upgrade, $85 an hour for an MD80 CA is ridiculous. Especially since the 1st quarter numbers show they can clearly afford to pay more.

I'll say it again. Allegiant has a unique business model. Comparing them head to head with a traditional airline is difficult because of the nature of their scheduling. If Allegiant was bleeding money and barely hanging on we wouldn't be having this conversation, but they aren't. They are successful and it's time for them to start paying their CA what a MD80 CA is worth.

 

[lookin4better]

Is Allegiant hiring?

Do any pilots commute or all live in base?

What is upgrade running and what base?

 

[Caveman]

This thread has one thing in common with every other FI Allegiant thread I've ever come across. Someone with no idea what Allegiant does yet has the need to put it down.

If you're referring to me you're wrong. I do know about Allegiant. I'm very familiar with them. I have two very close friends that work there. I live in LAS. I know and have flown GA airplanes with the guy that put their 121 certificate together. I considered applying there on more than one occasion. I like Allegiant's business plan. I am not putting them down. In previous threads on FI I've defended them. None of that changes the fact that now they are successful they need to pay the folks that made it happen a reasonable wage for flying a Maddog.

 

[labbats]

Not to worry, my post was directed towards Fubijaakr.

 

[fly4surf]

I think you are in the clear caveman.

You have been spot on.

 

[Ameriagle]

tico,

Don't forget Alaska has been around 75 years. How long was the last "good idea" airline that solely served LAS around? 5 years? Do you remember their name?

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for Allegiant's long term survival flying MD-80s in this environment. Additionally, do you really WANT to be a pariah among other airline pilots? Someone who goes to work for a non-Union carrier who undercuts YOUR salary by $50 an hour?

If you do, you'd better move to LAS because more and more Union pilots are refusing to give jumpseat rides to people who are stabbing us in the back.

For the record I have NEVER had a union pilot be anything but gracious when jumpseating, so your FI posturing is pointless....funny actually! I do commute and the question I usually get is "are you hiring." Yes Sir....thanks for the ride!

 

[BRA]

For the record I have NEVER had a union pilot be anything but gracious when jumpseating, so your FI posturing is pointless....funny actually! I do commute and the question I usually get is "are you hiring." Yes Sir....thanks for the ride!

I think that guy made a fake post to piss us off. I was up all last night thinking about what to do about it. For what it is worth, airline pilot central doesn't exactly paint the best picture of what our pay really is considering profit sharing and inflationary increases. Just as well, the entire industry minus SWA is still very far behind where it used to be in august of 2001. Considering inflation.....we have a long way to go to get things back where they need to be now.

 

[Ameriagle]

I think most at AAY would consider our compensation package a work in progress. However, a 40% gain in recent years in not insignificant, especially in light of the current environment we operate in. Things are going in the right direction, and will continue as long as we are profitable. It just takes time. How many years did Southwest turn a profit before they had a compensation package that could be called industry leading or even industry average?

 

[Beetle007]

How many years did Southwest turn a profit before they had a compensation package that could be called industry leading or even industry average?

Southwest didn't become industry leading until they dragged everyone else down. 10 years ago A320 and B737 pilots were making 200+ an hour at legacy airlines. What is that adjusted for inflation?

 

[ualdriver]

Southwest didn't become industry leading until they dragged everyone else down. 10 years ago A320 and B737 pilots were making 200+ an hour at legacy airlines. What is that adjusted for inflation?

He-he. I think you're wasting your time Beetle. I think we all just have to hope that the payrates at airlines like Allegiant, Virgin, Skybus, etc., aren't the "new" payrates the industry gets dragged down to. It seems like the pilots at these airlines will rationalize those rates "to the death."

Just too many pilots chasing too few jobs unfortunately........

ualdriver

 

[crxpilot]

He-he. I think you're wasting your time Beetle. I think we all just have to hope that the payrates at airlines like Allegiant, Virgin, Skybus, etc., aren't the "new" payrates the industry gets dragged down to. It seems like the pilots at these airlines will rationalize those rates "to the death."

Just too many pilots chasing too few jobs unfortunately........

ualdriver

Just like you will rationalize United's pathetic payrates and abysmal work rules I'm sure......

 

[labbats]

He-he. I think you're wasting your time Beetle. I think we all just have to hope that the payrates at airlines like Allegiant, Virgin, Skybus, etc., aren't the "new" payrates the industry gets dragged down to. It seems like the pilots at these airlines will rationalize those rates "to the death."

Just too many pilots chasing too few jobs unfortunately........

ualdriver

This from a 737 captain at United.

UAL 737 FO pay...
1st year - $32
2nd year - $50

AAY MD80 FO pay...
1st year - $41
2nd year - $51
3rd year - oh wait -- there are no 3rd year FOs unless they choose to be.

How long is that UAL upgrade again?

 

[chperplt]

He-he. I think you're wasting your time Beetle. I think we all just have to hope that the payrates at airlines like Allegiant, Virgin, Skybus, etc., aren't the "new" payrates the industry gets dragged down to. It seems like the pilots at these airlines will rationalize those rates "to the death."

Just too many pilots chasing too few jobs unfortunately........

ualdriver

I think it's time for you to start wrapping around your brain that the industry you joined 30 years ago is gone. I would love if you were still making 200+ an hour.

Those days are gone however and will never come back. It's not my fault or the fault of any of those airlines you mention. You're the one who stands to lose a lot more than you already have if you don't get the chip off your shoulder.