Allegiant Post 3Q Profit!!!

[crxpilot]

There is lots of room for improvement in pay and retirement at Allegiant. I think in some respect we are selling ourselves short. Especially for an airline that is profitable. No excuses.

What is it with these guys always trying to rain on our parade? Our pay is pretty similar to other companies with less than 45 airplanes. Sun Country, Spirit, Midwest, Virgin, and Allegiant all get paid about the same wages, give or take couple bucks. Some make a little more, some a little less. Plus Allegiant has 3 years of contractual pay raises coming up and profit sharing.
It's just a matter of time until our pay is as high or higher than a lot of the haters out there.

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

At your wages and bennies what did you expect?

Your argument is old and tired. Let's go ahead and give the roughly 250 Allegiant pilots an $70/hr raise for the 3rd quarter. This brings them up close to SWA's payscale. The average pilot flew about 80 hours per month. This equates to an added expense of $4.2M for the quarter. This would bring our profit down to only 700K or so. But it would still be a PROFIT. You guys just lost $4M for the quarter at your much higher payscales. If your snide remarks were true, Skybus would still be flourishing. For the last time, pilot salaries do not make or break an airline. You either have good management or you don't!

We are underpaid, no doubt about it. But we're working on it. But don't be so naive as to think that our profitiability is tied only to our pilot payscale.

 

[The Victors]

What is it with these guys always trying to rain on our parade? Our pay is pretty similar to other companies with less than 45 airplanes. Sun Country, Spirit, Midwest, Virgin, and Allegiant all get paid about the same wages, give or take couple bucks. Some make a little more, some a little less. Plus Allegiant has 3 years of contractual pay raises coming up and profit sharing.
It's just a matter of time until our pay is as high or higher than a lot of the haters out there.

Parade? That's exactly the point. It's your attitude about accepting work while being grossly underpaid. You accept being a loser at the cost of the profession.

 

[climbhappy]

When a guy starts a business, he never gets paid until it is profitable. maybe the pros at allegiant know what they're doing and just like LUV, when they get to a certain critical mass, the pay will come just as hiring will, longevity, and a good pension plan.

It looks like they know what they're doing.

 

[Mr Wu]

When a guy starts a business, he never gets paid until it is profitable. maybe the pros at allegiant know what they're doing and just like LUV, when they get to a certain critical mass, the pay will come just as hiring will, longevity, and a good pension plan.

It looks like they know what they're doing.

How dare you compare us to SWA when they were around 10 years? Don't you know that they were always the best paid with the best benefits?

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Parade? That's exactly the point. It's your attitude about accepting work while being grossly underpaid. You accept being a loser at the cost of the profession.

There is no such thing as bringing down the industry. The airlines pay based on their profitability and success, not what their competitor's pay. Look at any unprofitable company and you'll see that their pay decreases. Simultaneously look at any profitable company and you'll see that their pay increases. This is not rocket science, people. In general, a profitable company will not see a decrease in wages regardless of what's happening with their competitor's wages.
If an airline cannot maintain enough profitability to offset increased wages, they have more internal issues than just high pay.
If Allegiant remains profitable, someday our pay will probably be higher than yours. You might as well accept that.

 

[learflyer]

The naysayers are just jealous of the out n' back lines you guys fly.

 

[ualdriver]

There is no such thing as bringing down the industry.

And thinking like this is EXACTLY why we are our own worst enemies.

 

[Mr Wu]

And thinking like this is EXACTLY why we are our own worst enemies.

Who is bringing down the industry? Us, whose pay is increasing every year, or you, who is now making 50% of what you made 8 years ago?

 

[ualdriver]

Who is bringing down the industry? Us, whose pay is increasing every year, or you, who is now making 50% of what you made 8 years ago?

I guess I'll answer that question with a question. Why are airlines like UAL, NWA, DAL, etc., making 50% of what we were making 8 years ago? Did the "going rate" for pilot wages change during that time period? If they did, what exerted such downward pressure on pilot wages?