Allegiant 3Q results in 16.5% operating margin and $13.8 million profit

[Ameriagle]

You open yourself up for the quarterly Allegiant bashing session when you get on here and start bragging about how great your company is doing financially while your pay and work rules are considerably different from the norm. I'm not saying different is good or bad, but unless you want to spend the next couple of pages defending why Allegiant is different you ought to consider toning it down a bit.

Why would you want to stir up the hornet's nest? We go through this every quarter with you guys. Some of you proclaim how wonderful the bottom line is at Allegiant and then about a half dozen other guys start bitching about your pay. You guys then try to defend it. Wash, rinse, repeat. We've been doing this on here for a couple years now.

I don't know about the rest of you, but it's old news.

You have just summed up 99% of the post on FI! Allegiant's quarterly results are just one of several currently posted on this message board! I can't speak to the original poster's intent, I will assume it's to pass along information that might be relevant to others. When/if I am the first to post this kind of information that is my intention, nothing more nothing less!

 

[Draginass]

Actually, they can't cut wages without the agreement of the pilot concerned. They can cut in other areas (most benefits are conspicuously not included in the working agreement) and make life miserable until you agree, but they can't unilaterally cut wages.

Sorta like ---- If they cut your wages and you still show up for work, then that is "agreement?" Geez, you ought to work for the Obama administration with fantasy thinking like that.

 

[Caveman]

You have just summed up 99% of the post on FI! Allegiant's quarterly results are just one of several currently posted on this message board! I can't speak to the original poster's intent, I will assume it's to pass along information that might be relevant to others. When/if I am the first to post this kind of information that is my intention, nothing more nothing less!

C, what's going on Brother?

The news about Allegiant's quarterly results is certainly relevant and good info. Congrats BTW. Something about the special charges comment and the way it was posted just seemed a bit ill advised to me. That may not have been the OP's intent, but it came across that way.

Check your PMs.

 

[Blue Dude]

Sorta like ---- If they cut your wages and you still show up for work, then that is "agreement?" Geez, you ought to work for the Obama administration with fantasy thinking like that.

No, it is as in "this contract which we both signed has agreed upon rates and I am not signing this other contract with lower rates". The first contract with its higher rates remains in effect as long as I'm not fired for cause, which is also part of the agreement. They can "cut my wages" all they like, but they're going to end up in mediation, then arbitration, as soon as the first pay check arrives with the lower rates. Along with 2000 other pilots. All on their dime, for an action that they will lose. Which is why my rates can't be cut without my explicit permission. There's no fantasy involved.

 

[climbhappy]

you CEO was on CNBC early in the year after posting stellar returns and a share price increase of 48% or so in last year's market. He was asked since his company had several different revenue streams, was the airline operation profitable as a stand alone? He said no. My question is : Is this still the case? or has the fleet growth made it possible to be profitable in the airline operation? Oil did spike last year so maybe last year was an anomaly with regard to that question.

 

[Dix-Bag]

www.allegiantpilotsforaunion.com

There are a lot of good people here trying to turn things around for the pilots. (and a LOT of support)

Don't judge all of us by the few senior loosers happy to fly for regional wages. They are in the EXTREME minority.

Instead of BASHING, how about words of encouragement? Those of us who work here are QUITE aware of the disparity. Many of us are embarrassed about it and we're NOT sitting on our hands.

....and spare us the lecture about why we came here in the first place. If you are a professional pilot you know sometimes you have to take what you can get.

 

[Dizel8]

The difference is JB has a CEO who voluntarily decided to clean house in the management department and make the airline a good place to work for the pilots.

If the stuff you are smoking doesn't show up on a drug test, I'd really like some!

 

[Daytonaflyer]

If the stuff you are smoking doesn't show up on a drug test, I'd really like some!

You're a fool! The JetBlue CEO chose to give the pilots pay raises and better work rules. He also shook up middle management. He didn't have to, they already voted down the union.

AAY has management with a history of underpaying their pilots. ValuJet, Westjet...
ValuJet was paying $60/hr back in the days when Delta and United were paying FO's $200/hr.

 

[Dizel8]

You're a fool!

I'll take that as a compliment based on yor thinking and apparent lack of insight!

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I'll take that as a compliment based on yor thinking and apparent lack of insight!

I'm not the one who enjoys being called a fool; and you claim that I'm the one with lack of insight.

If you think I'm wrong, why not explain your wisdom of "thinking and insight". You're real big on insulting others without offering any alternative information. Fool!

 

[Dizel8]

Dear Df,

I have neither the time nor the inclination to reiterate the twist and turns in why the Jetblue pilots got a raise, but if you want to believe it was because Mr. Barger did it out of kindness of his heart, then so be it

 

[chperplt]

Dear Df,

I have neither the time nor the inclination to reiterate the twist and turns in why the Jetblue pilots got a raise, but if you want to believe it was because Mr. Barger did it out of kindness of his heart, then so be it

...but you have the time and inclination to come on here and post drivel each and every day?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

You're a fool! The JetBlue CEO chose to give the pilots pay raises and better work rules.

Now that's funny!

Apparently the CEO's retard brother actually approved the raises (that were presented by pilot committees) without approval from the BOD. Mike B -- we salute you!

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Dear Df,

I have neither the time nor the inclination to reiterate the twist and turns in why the Jetblue pilots got a raise, but if you want to believe it was because Mr. Barger did it out of kindness of his heart, then so be it

Absolutely not! JetBlue's CEO chose to give the pilots pay raises and better work rules rather than have a union on property. He also chose to rearrange company management to better serve the needs of his employees and again avoid a union on property.
Fortunately he kept his word because the pilots had already voted down the union before the pay raises were given. If he had changed his mind, it would have delayed a new union vote for at least another year and been a waste of a lot of hard work by the union organizers.

You'd better hope he doesn't change his mind again.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

You're funny when you're all crazy like that.

Since when did JB do anything to middle management?