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[NEDude]

I bet only 1 out of 10 on Flightinfo know the way a wing really works.

Not one explaination here is truly correct. In fact they are all way off base. After much research, including an advanced aerodynamics class, and study of "Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators", I believe I am a pretty good expert on how a wing works. The answer is simple - Money.

 

[Wingsweep]

Lifties

What idiots! Everyone knows there are little guys on the wings called Lifties. They just lift the airplane up by grabbing the air. Let the wings get too steep and they fall off, though. This is aerodynamics 101! Get a grip on reality folks! WS

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

nevermind

 

[sf260pilot]

What makes an airplane fly? Money! No bucks no Buck Rogers!

 

[say again]

The real question is what is the formula for lift???? :erm: :beer:

 

[dash8driver]

What idiots! Everyone knows there are little guys on the wings called Lifties. They just lift the airplane up by grabbing the air. Let the wings get too steep and they fall off, though. This is aerodynamics 101! Get a grip on reality folks! WS

dr. a anyone?

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

It is way too easy to become a pilot in the USA. You are right THEY GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS. Then when he takes his practical he will again know what the examiner is going to ask because he will pick the easist DE he can find and his instuctor will prep him for that DE and the questions he is going to ask. Of coarse, if the DE asks too hard of questions the CFI will not send his students to him any longer and the DE will lose money.

The FAA should not give out all the answers to test and students should call the FAA for a checkride and then they should assign you a DE.

The FAA only gives out the questions. Gleim and the others give you what they think the answers are. The way I understand it, someone sued the FAA under the Freedom of Information Act and the courts ruled they had to release the questions.

Probably part of the reason us U.S. aviators don't get much respect outside the U.S.

Not that we get much here either...................

 

[pc12_driver]

Why does it have to move faster? How does the air on the wing "know" that it "must" "move faster"? They're on different sides of the wing, aren't they? Why would air, hitting a bulge, suddenly accelerate to meet back up with its compadres? Bernoulli, as everyone know, showed how this works, but it's not because of air having a little chat from the top of the wing to the bottom of the wing.

This is the standard answer to which I was referring. A quick Google search will probably get you the rest, but I find it amusing that this small amount of detail satisfies the average pilot. It didn't satisfy me, because I didn't understand why all this air has to "meet back up". It doesn't.

OK........................ you're a friggan genius.................. la de DAH!!!!

 

[PolarTwins55]

so what is the answer?

 

[Sluggo_63]

Lift is entirely created due to the shape of the wing. The upper surface of the wing is always bulged out more than the lower surface is.

T-38's have a symmetric wing. It still flies... if I remember correctly...

 

[radarlove]

i actually got that from google here's the link:

http://mb-soft.com/public2/lift.html

i wanted to sound smart first before i 'fessed up to copyright infringement. and i'm with flyinscotsman, by the way

Interestingly (at least to me) that explanation at the web site is wrong. Not really wrong, but they use that silly phrase.

QUOTE: "The air that meets the front edge of a wing must get past it, to meet up again after the wing has gone by"

This, to me is idiocy.

The reason Bernoulli lift occurs on the wing is because the top of the wing (curved) creates "half" of a "bernoulli tube". The air is accelerated, not in relation to the air on the bottom of the wing, but because there is a boundary layer that acts as a poor upper half of the Bournoulli tube.

So all of the lift happens on the top of the wing (well, some reaction lift from the angled part on the bottom too, but it's not super material).

 

[waitinginline]

Lift This

You come to the majors interview board and ask how lift is created!!! You know what I work for a major and I don't give a rats ass... 80 years ago this might have been a fun conversation...BUT NOT NOW,,, anybody ever heard this???????????????????????

PFM

What else do you really need to know, except how to fix it when it breaks...


I think some CFI has nothing else to do except show us how little he/she knows.......

If you have not heard PFM before it won't be Long...

Waiting no more

 

[radarlove]

Wow, a SAAB F.O. discussing how little he needs to know. I guess I'm not surprised.

 

[Sig]

Uhhh....

www.av8n.com

 

[Phaedrus]

I actually had a passenger on a deadhead last week ask me how lift was created. I started drawing a scale model of an underwire bra and told him to simply reference a Victoria's Secret catalog. He laughed his arse off and I didn't have to sound like a dork.

 

[sleeves]

The FAA only gives out the questions. Gleim and the others give you what they think the answers are. The way I understand it, someone sued the FAA under the Freedom of Information Act and the courts ruled they had to release the questions.

Probably part of the reason us U.S. aviators don't get much respect outside the U.S.

Not that we get much here either...................

I am not sure we deserve much either. When it comes time to discuss pay we want to be compared to Medical Doctors. Here we have professional pilots who are unsure of the definition of lift. I think that is probably on page 1 of any private pilot manual. How much would you pay a MD who did not have basic knowledge of the body?

Maybe this is why our generation of pilots is willing to work for so much less. We have invested very little effort into obtaining our certificates and ratings.

 

[radarlove]

Here we have professional pilots who are unsure of the definition of lift. I think that is probably on page 1 of any private pilot manual..

Yeah, but my point was that the explanation found on page one is usually incorrect or at least woefully inadequate.

I was still a primary student and I kept scratching my head about why air just simply "had" to accelerate to "meet back up" when it hit a curved surface. I think it was finally a CFI advanced book (I can't remember the author but all the CFIs used it to study) that finally had a diagram that made sense and didn't talk about air doing all of this "meeting up".

On the other hand, I've given flight training to Dutch guys that could perform all sorts of physics calculations (since it's cheaper to talk about flying in Europe than to actualy do it) but they could barely keep an airplane upright.

Although our SAAB F.O. is correct that we don't really have to understand lift to do our jobs, I've always wondered at the lack of curiousity about basic phenomena that some exibit. But a lack of curiosity often comes out in interviews, which is probably why SAAB guy is comfortable flying a turboprop for a "major", it's the Peter Principal at work.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Lift is entirely created due to the shape of the wing. The upper surface of the wing is always bulged out more than the lower surface is.

Not correct. Ever hear of Newton? or a Symetric Airfoil?

 

[Phaedrus]

sleeves...false analogy. An MD's basic knowledge of the human body is required to ply his craft on a daily basis.
Whether you know how to explain lift or myriad other topics that some pilots use as an inferiority complex step-ladder is mostly irrelevant to your proficiency as a pilot. Should we learn it? Absolutely. But just because you can't spit out definitions (because of their paltry utility) doesn't mean you aren't a professional.
Speak for yourself as to what you've put into obtaining your certificates and ratings. I put in plenty and bet many others have as well.

 

[AAflyer]

I am not sure we deserve much either. When it comes time to discuss pay we want to be compared to Medical Doctors. Here we have professional pilots who are unsure of the definition of lift. I think that is probably on page 1 of any private pilot manual. How much would you pay a MD who did not have basic knowledge of the body?

Maybe this is why our generation of pilots is willing to work for so much less. We have invested very little effort into obtaining our certificates and ratings.

What did you expect when the advertisment says 0 hours to an airline job in 6 months. Heck, a friend of mine is going to school to become a pastry chef, she has to put in 1.5 years and earn as AS to be titled chef. All you need here is some money, and cool pilot uniform.Six months later, presto! One pilot ready for the regionals.

AA