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scarlet

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ATP has a phone interview with private pilots to come to their AIRLINE CAREER PILOt PROGRAM....

A guy doing the interview the other day, ask for definition of lift, my friend stated the definition, the interviewer told him it was incorrect, (Low pressure on top high on the bottom of wing) The ATP guy laughed at him on the phone.-- that is very unprofessional!!

I would recommend ATP to no - one!!!! They wanted him to pay 5,000.00 for a refresher course, and this friend just got his private last month and received a 86 on his written, so come on guys get a break....I will tell everyone not to receive training from you guys!!!!
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cforst513

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be sure to post this in each forum, JUST in case.
 

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86 on the written? Don't you get the questions and answers before you even take the test?

I don't think I got less then 99 on any of those tests, I mean, you have the ANSWERS, don't you?
 

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radarlove said:
86 on the written? Don't you get the questions and answers before you even take the test?

I don't think I got less then 99 on any of those tests, I mean, you have the ANSWERS, don't you?

nobody gives a rats a$$ on your written score anyway. You know what they call the last guy, at the bottom of his class, who barely graduated medical school?

"Doctor"
 

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satpak77 said:
nobody gives a rats a$$ on your written score anyway. You know what they call the last guy, at the bottom of his class, who barely graduated medical school?

"Doctor"

Not my Doctor!
 

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radarlove said:
86 on the written? Don't you get the questions and answers before you even take the test?

I don't think I got less then 99 on any of those tests, I mean, you have the ANSWERS, don't you?

It is way too easy to become a pilot in the USA. You are right THEY GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS. Then when he takes his practical he will again know what the examiner is going to ask because he will pick the easist DE he can find and his instuctor will prep him for that DE and the questions he is going to ask. Of coarse, if the DE asks too hard of questions the CFI will not send his students to him any longer and the DE will lose money.

The FAA should not give out all the answers to test and students should call the FAA for a checkride and then they should assign you a DE.
 

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satpak77 said:
nobody gives a rats a$$ on your written score anyway. You know what they call the last guy, at the bottom of his class, who barely graduated medical school?

"Doctor"

I though it was "Dentist"???? :)
 

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A guy doing the interview the other day, ask for definition of lift, my friend stated the definition, the interviewer told him it was incorrect, (Low pressure on top high on the bottom of wing) The ATP guy laughed at him on the phone.-- that is very unprofessional!!
Low pressure on top and high pressure on the bottom is only one way to create lift. Maybe he was looking for a simple answer like the opposite of weight (according to the flight training manuals, it gets much more detailed than that in reality when you start adding acceleration ie. pulling G's while inverted). One way or another, laughing at anyone for getting an answer wrong is very unprofessional unless you know the person very well and know that they can laugh at themselves.

I don't quite follow you, what is this phone interview for and why are they asking questions? Is it for a job at ATP?
 

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Flic1 said:
I though it was "Dentist"???? :)
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Proctologist?? . . .
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cforst513

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sleeves said:
It is way too easy to become a pilot in the USA. You are right THEY GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS. Then when he takes his practical he will again know what the examiner is going to ask because he will pick the easist DE he can find and his instuctor will prep him for that DE and the questions he is going to ask. Of coarse, if the DE asks too hard of questions the CFI will not send his students to him any longer and the DE will lose money.

The FAA should not give out all the answers to test and students should call the FAA for a checkride and then they should assign you a DE.
can you guys maybe push for this, um, after i'm done with my ratings?
 

radarlove

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Mr Hat said:
Low pressure on top and high pressure on the bottom is only one way to create lift.
The funny part to me is, how few pilots know how a wing creates those areas of relative high v. low pressure. The most erroneous explanation I've heard was that the wing "splits the air molecule". So we fly based on chemistry, huh?

I bet only 1 out of 10 on Flightinfo know the way a wing really works.
 

cforst513

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radarlove said:
The funny part to me is, how few pilots know how a wing creates those areas of relative high v. low pressure. The most erroneous explanation I've heard was that the wing "splits the air molecule". So we fly based on chemistry, huh?

I bet only 1 out of 10 on Flightinfo know the way a wing really works.
mmmmm...... Bernoulli....... *gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargle*
 

radarlove

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cforst513 said:
mmmmm...... Bernoulli....... *gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargle*
Well yeah, that's the canned answser. I didn't want to start CFI stuff, but if asked, "Why is there relatively low pressure on the top of the wing", and answereed "Bernoulli" gets the job done but doesn't answer the question.

But why does the Bernoulli effect take place? "Because it's curved" isn't exactlyh correct answer either.
 

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radarlove said:
86 on the written? Don't you get the questions and answers before you even take the test?

I don't think I got less then 99 on any of those tests, I mean, you have the ANSWERS, don't you?


Anything over 70% is overkill:)
 

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A wing works by flapping, much the same way some folks' jaws work when they want to prove how much they know.
 
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cforst513

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radarlove said:
Well yeah, that's the canned answser. I didn't want to start CFI stuff, but if asked, "Why is there relatively low pressure on the top of the wing", and answereed "Bernoulli" gets the job done but doesn't answer the question.

But why does the Bernoulli effect take place? "Because it's curved" isn't exactlyh correct answer either.

Lift is entirely created due to the shape of the wing. The upper surface of the wing is always bulged out more than the lower surface is. The air that meets the front edge of a wing must get past it, to meet up again after the wing has gone by. The bigger bulge of the top side of a wing means the air has to move a little faster to cover the longer distance than air that went under the wing where the path was straighter. Lift is the effect of this difference of pressure above and below a wing. Lift depends on the shape of the wing, the velocity of the air and the density of the air.
 

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Wholly Crap! Who Cares as long as it works!
 

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cforst513 said:
The bigger bulge of the top side of a wing means the air has to move a little faster to cover the longer distance than air that went under the wing where the path was straighter.
Why does it have to move faster? How does the air on the wing "know" that it "must" "move faster"? They're on different sides of the wing, aren't they? Why would air, hitting a bulge, suddenly accelerate to meet back up with its compadres? Bernoulli, as everyone know, showed how this works, but it's not because of air having a little chat from the top of the wing to the bottom of the wing.

This is the standard answer to which I was referring. A quick Google search will probably get you the rest, but I find it amusing that this small amount of detail satisfies the average pilot. It didn't satisfy me, because I didn't understand why all this air has to "meet back up". It doesn't.
 
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Flap, flap, flap.......
 
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