All ATP flight school=Joke

[dash8driver]

What did you expect when the advertisment says 0 hours to an airline job in 6 months. Heck, a friend of mine is going to school to become a pastry chef, she has to put in 1.5 years and earn as AS to be titled chef. All you need here is some money, and cool pilot uniform.Six months later, presto! One pilot ready for the regionals.

AA

but can she describe the physics behind what makes the dough rise?




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[AAflyer]

but can she describe the physics behind what makes the dough rise?




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Actually looking at her class schedule she may, she makes my dough rise
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AA

 

[dash8driver]

Actually looking at her class schedule she may, she makes my dough rise
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AA

ok then tell me this. whether or not she can describe it... do you think it would make a difference on how good her pastry tastes?








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[radarlove]

ok then tell me this. whether or not she can describe it... do you think it would make a difference on how good her pastry tastes?

On the other hand, one would hope she'd have just a tiny bit of curiosity in the manner in which the world works, especially that immediate part of the world where she makes her living and has studied for proficiency.

That's what really started my part of the conversation, conventional wisdom as to how these airplanes stay in the sky is, in fact, wrong, and almost nobody ever bothers to dig a little deeper for an explanation.

A pastery chef should, in my view, know exactly what makes bread rise, since the yeast is such an integral part of her work.

A pilot doesn't need to know the physics behind lift, but to me, a good pilot would at least have a tiny bit of curiosity. But then, many pilots don't make it particularly far up the rungs of the profession.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Sounds like her Jelly Roll would taste mighty fine...and Sluggo, you remember correctly....the T-38 did and still does fly.

 

[dash8driver]

On the other hand, one would hope she'd have just a tiny bit of curiosity in the manner in which the world works, especially that immediate part of the world where she makes her living and has studied for proficiency.

That's what really started my part of the conversation, conventional wisdom as to how these airplanes stay in the sky is, in fact, wrong, and almost nobody ever bothers to dig a little deeper for an explanation.

A pastery chef should, in my view, know exactly what makes bread rise, since the yeast is such an integral part of her work.

A pilot doesn't need to know the physics behind lift, but to me, a good pilot would at least have a tiny bit of curiosity. But then, many pilots don't make it particularly far up the rungs of the profession.

hahaha... that went right over your head. i'm glad that LJ got it at least.

 

[AAflyer]

On the other hand, one would hope she'd have just a tiny bit of curiosity in the manner in which the world works, especially that immediate part of the world where she makes her living and has studied for proficiency.

That's what really started my part of the conversation, conventional wisdom as to how these airplanes stay in the sky is, in fact, wrong, and almost nobody ever bothers to dig a little deeper for an explanation.

A pastery chef should, in my view, know exactly what makes bread rise, since the yeast is such an integral part of her work.

A pilot doesn't need to know the physics behind lift, but to me, a good pilot would at least have a tiny bit of curiosity. But then, many pilots don't make it particularly far up the rungs of the profession.

I am not sure I agree with we don't need to know the pyshics behind it, maybe not the formula behind it, but why would we not need to know how and why a wing flies?

The Navy certainly feels it's important, ever read Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators? Considering the foundation of understanding this gives us, maybe that would explain some of the accidents that occured lately.

I would love to be at a party, and have an airline pilot asked how and why a wing flies, to define lift and put it in laymans terms. Uhh, well I can't but it is not really important. How about the student who looks up to you as an instructor and asks the same question. How about the "you don't need to know it answer" in that situation.

I give up, pilots do not need to know this stuff, I guess I wasted a lot of extra brain cells for nothing.

Next you are going to tell me I don't really need to understand weather since I have a weather radar.

See Ya,

AA

 

[dash8driver]

Next you are going to tell me I don't really need to understand weather since I have a weather radar.

no.. you dont need to understand or read weather because we have dispatchers.




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[AAflyer]

You my friend, are very witty!


AA

 

[Phaedrus]

AA: Not sure if you're referencing my posts, but if so you misunderstand. I never implied that the knowledge is not important. It is. It's the "I know something you don't know" attitude about mostly insignificant information that gives me the beak.
I've instructed for years and have never given the "I don't know, but it's not important" answer. I have followed up my answer on some questions with "it's not that important" in some situations. When you're instructing basic students you try to emphasize the most important aspects and channel their attention and study accordingly.
As for answering a question about lift and such at a party, remind me not to go to the same parties as you

 

[Phaedrus]

AA: just checked your profile......L-19? Me too! Fun airplane and my first tail dragger. Be good!

 

[AAflyer]

AA: just checked your profile......L-19? Me too! Fun airplane and my first tail dragger. Be good!

The L-19 was great! Tailwheels are where it is at. Actually the refrence was towards RadarLove. Actually the party thing was a hypothetical, I usually say that I am a dolphin trainer. You should see where that leads.

AA

 

[Oh-ryan]

alright, sorry for my late entry into this riveting thread, but I needed to add my thoughts on this topic... and they are:

1) Radarlove... you must be a blast at parties. Now I know why I always lost chicks to guys like you.

W) That guy who said lift is a result of money... now that's funny.

and finally

7) I love Bernoulli... in my opinion you can't get a better carpet steamer.

 

[Jack Mahogoff]

The L-19 was great! Tailwheels are where it is at. Actually the refrence was towards RadarLove. Actually the party thing was a hypothetical, I usually say that I am a dolphin trainer. You should see where that leads.

AA

Dolphin trainer is a good one. Also, try telling them you're a freelance pirate.

And my all time favorite: I'm a linguist...a cunning linguist.


push power in, houses get smaller. take power out, houses get bigger. Pull back on the yoke houses get smaller, pull back too much they will eventually get bigger as you are screaming toward your death at several hundred miles per hour, pi$$ing your pants, finding Jesus, calling for mommy, wishing you had more life insurance, and just then you will realize you should have paid attention to your instructor. The only good part of that would be that your sinuses will clear up pretty quick.

 

[FlierDude]

[Should we learn it? Absolutely. But just because you can't spit out definitions (because of their paltry utility) doesn't mean you aren't a professional.
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Well said, Phaedrus.

As for symmetrical airfoils, supercritical, etc., AOA has a LOT to do with lift.

I laugh whenever that "air molecules must meet up" explanation is given. What, do they have cellphones or somethin'?

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[wrxpilot]

You guys are correct, the traditional theory of airfoil lift taught in PPL texts is incorrect. Here's a good place to get educated on the subject:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wrong1.html

 

[radarlove]

You guys are correct, the traditional theory of airfoil lift taught in PPL texts is incorrect. Here's a good place to get educated on the subject:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wrong1.html

These guys go on to explain that pretty much every explanation is incorrect and that the real answer is too complicated to simplfy. I'm not sure I'd go that far, but then again, this is from NASA.

 

[BushwickBill]

A wing works by flapping, much the same way some folks' jaws work when they want to prove how much they know.

Oh man i just found my new sig

Thanks!

Do you want me to quote you or not?

Yes I'm being serious

 

[Phaedrus]

Bushwick...sure. Glad you got a kick!

 

[NYCPilot]

I don't think I could keep a straight face asking these wide-eyed kids who want to enroll in the "airline fast track program" what "lift" is. I'd probably laugh at some of the answers supplied too. Correct or not. Knowing what they think they're getting for all that money and in only 6 months... hah.