Alaska new-hire denied ALPA, Rumor?

[PCL_128]

We were told he was denied membership.

Unless his name is on a certain famous list, then he wasn't denied membership. ALPA doesn't just go around denying memberships.

 

[flyinghunter]

thanks for the good post boiler, all food for thought, my only question for you is how does alpa help you get those things. I know that it's only as strong as the members, but how does alpa national help me, how would they be different than say teamsters or an inhouse union?

 

[MoroniMetro]

Well said Boiler,

I just wanted to add, on a National Level, the ALPA Safety divison is an unbelievable resource for ALPA memembers. God forbid an accident or incident ever happens, but when it does, the resources ALPA has to back its members are unparalled by any company. The NTSB requests information and help from ALPA for godsakes!

 

[shamrock]

I know that it's only as strong as the members, but how does alpa national help me, how would they be different than say teamsters or an inhouse union?

Specialization? Resources?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

how does alpa national help me, how would they be different than say teamsters or an inhouse union?

Read the magazine.

ALPA "National" particaptes in the international arena. For example the criminalization of pilots, open skies, foreign control, cabatoge, cargo security and safety, aircraft engineering and develpment, etc..

Recently the US/EU deal on open skies was quite contentious... ALPA fought hard for labor to included. Without ALPA "nationals" involvment, the changes that will take place on March 2008 would've been worse...

The real question is what isn't ALPA national doing for you...


The real fustrating part of ALPA effectiveness is its members constant effort to devalue and sand bag the very and ONLY organization that represents pilot careers. Instead of trying to figure out why ALPA stinks..why not figure out the real reasons why ALPA isn't as effective as you want it to be....

 

[Tarzan]

Read the magazine.

ALPA "National" particaptes in the international arena. For example the criminalization of pilots, open skies, foreign control, cabatoge, cargo security and safety, aircraft engineering and develpment, etc..

Recently the US/EU deal on open skies was quite contentious... ALPA fought hard for labor to included. Without ALPA "nationals" involvment, the changes that will take place on March 2008 would've been worse...

Let me say first that my political views slant strongly conservative. I feel the market should be allowed to work. BUT, without a counterweight, the market will allow for monopolies and oligopolies. These in turn generate abuses of the folks who make the wheels turns. ALPA is the counterweight which works in our favor.

I hate when ALPA-ites toss the "greedy". We all want ours and it makes this country as successful as it is. But in the end, those on top will drive us into the ground to line their pockets. I don't fault them. I want as much as I can get too but at the very least, we have some sort of legal protections and rights to further our stance.

Most importantly, it gives us a lobby in DC since lobbies make DC's wheels go 'round. The companies have theirs to help them make theirs, why not us.

ALPA ain't perfect but I am thankful it's there.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Let me say first that my political views slant strongly conservative. I feel the market should be allowed to work. BUT, without a counterweight, the market will allow for monopolies and oligopolies. These in turn generate abuses of the folks who make the wheels turns. ALPA is the counterweight which works in our favor.

I hate when ALPA-ites toss the "greedy". We all want ours and it makes this country as successful as it is. But in the end, those on top will drive us into the ground to line their pockets. I don't fault them. I want as much as I can get too but at the very least, we have some sort of legal protections and rights to further our stance.

Most importantly, it gives us a lobby in DC since lobbies make DC's wheels go 'round. The companies have theirs to help them make theirs, why not us.

ALPA ain't perfect but I am thankful it's there.

But it could be so much better..... You don't see UAW members trying to undercut other UAW members..... You do see the UAW negotiate the same accross company lines.....

ALPA has much more potential......

 

[Mookie]

But it could be so much better..... You don't see UAW members trying to undercut other UAW members..... You do see the UAW negotiate the same accross company lines.....

ALPA has much more potential......

if you are looking at apples to apples with alpa vs uaw...then I'd say the uaw has some serious cabotage issues that alpa, as yet, doesn't have to deal with (toyota, honda, hyundai, VW, etc....)

remember guys, we are all (all airlines) commodities right now. there is nothing in the consumer's mind other than price. it's the truth and the sooner we realize it, the better....
Mookie

 

[JoeMerchant]

if you are looking at apples to apples with alpa vs uaw...then I'd say the uaw has some serious cabotage issues that alpa, as yet, doesn't have to deal with (toyota, honda, hyundai, VW, etc....)

remember guys, we are all (all airlines) commodities right now. there is nothing in the consumer's mind other than price. it's the truth and the sooner we realize it, the better....
Mookie

I'm more worried about Mesa than the Chinese.... Let's deal with ALPA members undercutting ALPA members first..... then we can focus on cabotage.... Deal with the current emergency before you start to worry about the next one.....

 

[PCL_128]

I'm more worried about Mesa than the Chinese.... Let's deal with ALPA members undercutting ALPA members first..... then we can focus on cabotage.... Deal with the current emergency before you start to worry about the next one.....

Very bad strategy. By the time you get around to worrying about the next problem, then it's already too late. Fighting things like cabotage and foreign control is a constant battle. You can't just shelve it and worry about it later on.

 

[Mookie]

I'm more worried about Mesa than the Chinese.... Let's deal with ALPA members undercutting ALPA members first..... then we can focus on cabotage.... Deal with the current emergency before you start to worry about the next one.....

let's just say the current "emergency" with Mesa is an amber light and the cabotage is a red light with a goddamn Fire Bell blaring.... i don't know if you ever get up there, but just look at the ramp in Anchorage as what could potential happen here in the u.s.

-Mookie

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'm more worried about Mesa than the Chinese.... Let's deal with ALPA members undercutting ALPA members first..... then we can focus on cabotage.... Deal with the current emergency before you start to worry about the next one.....

Wow Joe.... are you coming around? One of ALPA's structual problems is the MEC's operate as individual units with no negative or positive concern for the other MEC's. However, this indifference is a net negative loss.

It's not that the legacy MEC despise or detest the regional MEC's, they just haven't been trainied or conditioned to be altruistic.

What we need to be doing is working together to address everyones concern.

Now, do you think your silly little lawsuit is helping or hurting? Joe, it is time to renounce the RJDC...

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Couldn't have said it better, Boiler!

Peace.

Rekks