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Hugh Johnson said:
Since Miller was decided, lower federal and state courts have addressed the meaning of the Second Amendment in more than thirty cases. In every case, the courts have decided that the Amendment guarantees a right to be armed only in connection with service in a "well regulated Militia." The courts unanimously have rejected the NRA's view that the Second Amendment is about the self-defense or sporting uses of guns. As the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit wrote, the courts "have analyzed the Second Amendment purely in terms of protecting state militias, rather than individual rights." United States v. Nelson, 859 F.2d 1318 (1988).

I'm sorry, but you can't cite what the gay guys say over at the "violence policy center" as fact.

And besides, even a child knows that the "national guard" is not the 'militia'.

I'm sure if you edited things that Sadam or Hitler said, you could take what's left and use it for grounds to nominate them for the Nobel Peace Prize.
 
FN FAL said:
I'm sorry, but you can't cite what the gay guys say over at the "violence policy center" as fact.

And besides, even a child knows that the "national guard" is not the 'militia'.

I'm sure if you edited things that Sadam or Hitler said, you could take what's left and use it for grounds to nominate them for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Those are Supreme Court Rulings. One of the checks and balances built into this great government system. It may have its flaws but its the best thing going. Is your last name McVeigh?
 
Hugh Johnson said:
Those are Supreme Court Rulings. One of the checks and balances built into this great government system. It may have its flaws but its the best thing going. Is your last name McVeigh?
No, my name isn't Timothy McVeigh and yes, the Second Amendment is the balance between the people and the Government, not supreme court rulings.

Let's carry it out a little further...for review, for those who only possess the king james version of the constitution, here's United States v. Lopez.

The brady bill said that you couldn't possess a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. Lopez brought a gun to school and was arrested by the local cops. Lopez was then subsequently grabbed by the feds and the local cops dropped their local charges. Lopez argued that the federal government didn't have the authority to regulate firearm possession on state school grounds and the justices agreed...which meant that that portion of the Brady Bill was thrown out.

If the federal government is supreme allied commander of all what goes on on school grounds and guns, why did they rule that they themselves were in the wrong in regards to the relevant portion of the Brady Bill?

Maybe the Supreme Court is the Timothy McVeigh and the blind man is the sheppard and the gun is tyranny of evil men. Or, maybe the sheppard is the valley and the gun is Timothy McVeigh and the sidewalk is evil men running from tyranny?
 
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Hugh Johnson said:
Those are Supreme Court Rulings. One of the checks and balances built into this great government system. It may have its flaws but its the best thing going. Is your last name McVeigh?

I don't really know why you're calling me McVeigh, McVeigh did not pay his tax on the Destructive Device he used to blow up the Okie federal building. I pay my taxes. You must have me confused with someone else.

By the way, I found where you lifted the text you used, did you realize that United States v. Miller was ruled on in 1894? Boy them checks and balances are pretty slow to getting round the rest of the country.

Here's the rest of the text you lifted, including some illuminating detail that was left up to the imagination of people who read what you scrolled and pasted...

In United States v. Miller,4 the Court sustained a statute requiring registration under the National Firearms Act of sawed-off shotguns. After reciting the original provisions of the Constitution dealing with the militia, the Court observed that ''[w]ith obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view.''5 The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of ''civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.'' It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that ''comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,'' who, ''when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.''6 Therefore, ''n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well- regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.''7
Since this decision, Congress has placed greater limitations on the receipt, possession, and transportation of firearms,8 and proposals for national registration or prohibition of firearms altogether have been made.9 At what point regulation or prohibition of what classes of firearms would conflict with the Amendment, if at all, the Miller case does little more than cast a faint degree of illumination toward an answer.
 
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Dude, you need to take a big chill pill. I am a big gun nut myself. You write so much crap noone can even tell what side you are on. Find somewhere else to do your endless ranting and raving about nonsense.

FN FAL said:
No, my name isn't Timothy McVeigh and yes, the Second Amendment is the balance between the people and the Government, not supreme court rulings.

Let's carry it out a little further...for review, for those who only possess the king james version of the constitution, here's United States v. Lopez.

The brady bill said that you couldn't possess a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school. Lopez brought a gun to school and was arrested by the local cops. Lopez was then subsequently grabbed by the feds and the local cops dropped their local charges. Lopez argued that the federal government didn't have the authority to regulate firearm possession on state school grounds and the justices agreed...which meant that that portion of the Brady Bill was thrown out.

If the federal government is supreme allied commander of all what goes on on school grounds and guns, why did they rule that they themselves were in the wrong in regards to the relevant portion of the Brady Bill?

Maybe the Supreme Court is the Timothy McVeigh and the blind man is the sheppard and the gun is tyranny of evil men. Or, maybe the sheppard is the valley and the gun is Timothy McVeigh and the sidewalk is evil men running from tyranny?
 
HangerRat said:
Dude, you need to take a big chill pill. I am a big gun nut myself. You write so much crap noone can even tell what side you are on. Find somewhere else to do your endless ranting and raving about nonsense.
What side? I'm on the people's side.

All you have to do hanger rat, is provide the CFR that prohibits the possession of the rocket launchers that the militaria memrobillia freak had and I'll shut up. That is, if the reg you provide is relevent and contains no provisions or exemptions for private possession of such evil metal shapes.

By the way, when you said I lacked the inside information on the Alaska delio, did you mean to tell us that the subject was also found with dark brown slacks that had light brown stripes on them? Kind of like the ones that sheriff deputies wear? Or did the guy have another double secret agent windbreaker that nobody is telling us about?
 
No comprende. I don't know what you are saying. Nor do I want to understand your gibberish. I do not care to provide any "CFR" to you. I could actually care less. Chill.

FN FAL said:
What side? I'm on the people's side.

All you have to do hanger rat, is provide the CFR that prohibits the possession of the rocket launchers that the militaria memrobillia freak had and I'll shut up. That is, if the reg you provide is relevent and contains no provisions or exemptions for private possession of such evil metal shapes.

By the way, when you said I lacked the inside information on the Alaska delio, did you mean to tell us that the subject was also found with dark brown slacks that had light brown stripes on them? Kind of like the ones that sheriff deputies wear? Or did the guy have another double secret agent windbreaker that nobody is telling us about?
 
HangerRat said:
No comprende. I don't know what you are saying. Nor do I want to understand your gibberish. I do not care to provide any "CFR" to you. I could actually care less. Chill.

This one was easy enough to find...

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 2]
[Revised as of April 1, 2005]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR447.21]

[Page 7-11]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 447_IMPORTATION OF ARMS, AMMUNITION AND IMPLEMENTS OF WAR--Table
of Contents

Subpart C_The U.S. Munitions Import List

Sec. 447.21 The U.S. Munitions Import List.


The U.S. Munitions List compiled by the Department of State, Office
of Defense Trade Controls, and published at 22 CFR 121.1, with the
deletions indicated, has been adopted as an enumeration of the defense
articles subject to controls under this part. The expurgated list, set
out below, shall, for the purposes of this part, be known as the U.S.
Munitions Import List:

The U.S. Munitions Import List

category i--firearms

(a) Nonautomatic and semiautomatic firearms, to caliber .50
inclusive, combat shotguns, and shotguns with barrels less than 18
inches in length, and all components and parts for such firearms.
(b) Automatic firearms and all components and parts for such
firearms to caliber .50 inclusive.
(c) Insurgency-counterinsurgency type firearms of other weapons
having a special military application (e.g. close assault weapons
systems) regardless of caliber and all components and parts for such
firearms.
(d) Firearms silencers and suppressors, including flash suppressors.

category ii--artillery projectors

(a) Guns over caliber .50, howitzers, mortars, and recoiless rifles.
(b) Military flamethrowers and projectors.
(c) Components, parts, accessories, and attachments for the articles
in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this category, including but not limited to
mounts and carriages for these articles.

category iii--ammunition

(a) Ammunition for the arms in Categories I and II of this section.
(b) Components, parts, accessories, and attachments for articles in
paragraph (a) of this category, including but not limited to cartridge
cases, powder bags, bullets, jackets, cores, shells (excluding shotgun
shells), projectiles, boosters, fuzes and components therefor, primers,
and other detonating devices for such ammunition.
(c) Ammunition belting and linking machines.
(d) Ammunition manufacturing machines and ammunition loading
machines (except handloading ones).

category iv--launch vehicles, guided missiles, ballistic missiles,
rockets, torpedoes, bombs and mines

(a) Rockets (including but not limited to meteorological and other
sounding rockets), bombs, grenades, torpedoes, depth charges, land and
naval mines, as well as launchers for such defense articles, and
demolition blocks and blasting caps.
(b) Launch vehicles and missile and anti-missile systems including
but not limited to guided, tactical and strategic missiles, launchers,
and systems.
(c) Apparatus, devices, and materials for the handling, control,
activation, monitoring, detection, protection, discharge, or detonation
of the articles in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this category. Articles in
this category include, but are not limited to, the following: Fuses and
components for the items in this category, bomb racks and shackles, bomb
shackle release units, bomb ejectors, torpedo tubes, torpedo and guided
missile boosters, guidance system equipment and parts, launching racks
and projectors, pistols (exploders), igniters, fuze arming devices,
intervalometers, guided missile launchers and specialized handling
equipment, and hardened missile launching facilities.
(d) Missile and space vehicle powerplants.
(e) Military explosive excavating devices.
(g) Non/nuclear warheads for rockets and guided missiles.
(h) All specifically designed components or modified components,
parts, accessories, attachments, and associated equipment for the
articles in this category.

category vi--vessels of war and special naval equipment

(a) Warships, amphibious warfare vessels, landing craft, mine
warfare vessels, patrol vessels, auxiliary vessels and service craft,
experimental types of naval ships and any vessels specifically designed
or modified for military purposes.
(b) Turrets and gun mounts, arresting gear, special weapons systems,
protective systems, submarine storage batteries, catapults and other
components, parts, attachments, and accessories specifically designed or
modified for combatant vessels.
(c) Mine sweeping equipment.
(d) Harbor entrance detection devices (magnetic, pressure, and
acoustic ones) and controls and components therefor.
(e) Naval nuclear propulsion plants, their land prototypes and
special facilities for their construction, support and maintenance. This
includes any machinery, device, component, or equipment specifically
developed or designed or modified for use in such plants or facilities.

category vii--tanks and military vehicles

(a) Military type armed or armored vehicles, military railway
trains, and vehicles specifically designed or modified to accommodate
mountings for arms or other specialized military equipment or fitted
with such items.
(b) Military tanks, combat engineer vehicles, bridge launching
vehicles, halftracks and gun carriers.
(c) Self-propelled guns and howitzers.
(f) Amphibious vehicles.
(g) Engines specifically designed or modified for the vehicles in
paragraphs (a), (b), (c), and (f) of this category.
(h) All specifically designed or modified components and parts,
accessories, attachments, and associated equipment for the articles in
this category, including but not limited to military bridging and deep
water fording kits.

Note: An ``amphibious vehicle'' in Category VII(f) is an automotive
vehicle or chassis which embodies all-wheel drive, which is equipped to
meet special military requirements, and which has sealed electrical
systems and adaptation features for deep water fording.

category viii--aircraft, spacecraft, and associated equipment

(a) Aircraft, including but not limited to helicopters, non-
expansive balloons, drones and lighter-than-air aircraft, which are
specifically designed, modified, or equipped for military purposes. This
includes but is not limited to the following military purposes: gunnery,
bombing, rocket or missile launching, electronic and other surveillance,
reconnaissance, refueling, aerial mapping, military liaison, cargo
carrying or dropping, personnel dropping, airborne warning and control,
and military training.

Note: Category VIII (b) through (j) and Categories IX, X, XI, XII
and XIII of ``Munitions List'' deleted as inapplicable to imports.
Note: In Category VIII, ``aircraft'' means aircraft designed,
modified, or equipped for a military purpose, including aircraft
described as ``demilitarized.'' All aircraft bearing an original
military designation are included in Category VIII. However, the
following aircraft are not so included so long as they have not been
specifically equipped, reequipped, or modified for military operations:
(a) Cargo aircraft bearing ``C'' designations and numbered C-45
through C-118 inclusive,and C-121 through C-125 inclusive, and C-131, using reciprocating
engines only.
(b) Trainer aircraft bearing ``T'' designations and using
reciprocating engines or turboprop engines with less than 600 horsepower
(s.h.p.).
(c) Utility aircraft bearing ``U'' designations and using
reciprocating engines only.
(d) All liaison aircraft bearing an ``L'' designation.
(e) All observation aircraft bearing ``O'' designations and using
reciprocating engines.

category xiv--toxicological agents and equipment and radiological
equipment

(a) Chemical agents, including but not limited to lung irritants,
vesicants, lachrymators, and tear gases (except tear gas formulations
containing 1% or less CN or CS), sternutators and irritant smoke, and
nerve gases and incapacitating agents.
(b) Biological agents.
(c) Equipment for dissemination, detection, and identification of,
and defense against, the articles in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this
category.
(d) Nuclear radiation detection and measuring devices manufactured
to military specification.
(e) Components, parts, accessories, attachments, and associated
equipment specifically designed or modified for the articles in
paragraphs (c) and (d) of this category.

Note: A chemical agent in Category XIV(a) is a substance having
military application which by its ordinary and direct chemical action
produces a powerful physiological effect. The term ``chemical agent''
includes, but is not limited to, the following chemical compounds:
(a) Lung irritants:
(b) Vesicants:
(c) Lachrymators and tear gases:
(d) Sternutators and irritant smokes:
(e) Nerve agents, gases, and aerosols. These are toxic compounds
which affect the nervous system, such as:
(f) Antiplant chemicals, such as: Butyl 2-chloro-4-
fluorophenoxyacetate (LNF).

category xvi--nuclear weapons design and test equipment

(a) Any article, material, equipment, or device, which is
specifically designed or modified for use in the design, development, or
fabrication of nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices.
(b) Any article, material, equipment, or device, which is
specifically designed or modified for use in the devising, carrying out,
or evaluating of nuclear weapons tests or any other nuclear explosions,
except such items as are in normal commercial use for other purposes.
 
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Hugh Johnson said:
FN FAL, aren't you moving to Peru?

Don't go away mad, there are fees mentioned on page 11, for importing rockets and rocket launchers and torpedo tubes and submarines...


[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 2]
[Revised as of April 1, 2005]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR447.32]

[Page 11]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 447_IMPORTATION OF ARMS, AMMUNITION AND IMPLEMENTS OF WAR--Table
of Contents

Subpart D_Registration

Sec. 447.32 Application for registration and refund of fee.

(a) Application for registration must be filed on ATF Form 4587 and
must be accompanied by the registration fee at the rate prescribed in
this section. The appropriate ATF officer will approve the application
and return the original to the applicant.
(b) Registration may be effected for periods of from 1 to 5 years at
the option of the registrant by identifying on Form 4587 the period of
registration desired. The registration fees are as follows:

1 year.......................................................... $250
2 years......................................................... 500
3 years......................................................... 700
4 years......................................................... 850
5 years......................................................... 1,000


(c) Fees paid in advance for whole future years of a multiple year
registration will be refunded upon request if the registrant ceases to
engage in importing articles on the U.S. Munitions Import List. A
request for a refund must be submitted to the appropriate ATF officer at
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Washington, DC 20226, prior
to the beginning of any year for which a refund is claimed.

(Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number
1512-0021)

[T.D. ATF-8, 39 FR 3251, Jan. 25, 1974, as amended by T.D. ATF-215, 50
FR 42161, Oct. 18, 1985; T.D. ATF-484, 67 FR 64526, Oct. 21, 2002]
 
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Hugh Johnson said:
FN FAL, aren't you moving to Peru?

And don't away mad just yet...not only are there, "FEES" (which some could view as "taxes"), there's an application process. Imagine the frick outta dat?

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 2]
[Revised as of April 1, 2005]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR447.31]

[Page 11]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 447_IMPORTATION OF ARMS, AMMUNITION AND IMPLEMENTS OF WAR--Table
of Contents

Subpart D_Registration

Sec. 447.31 Registration requirement.


Persons engaged in the business, in the United States, of importing
articles enumerated on the U.S. Munitions Import List must register by
making an application on ATF Form 4587.

[T.D. ATF-484, 67 FR 64526, Oct. 21, 2002]
 
FN FAL said:
http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f53303a.pdf


And there is the application form...


I guess the government is the sheppard and the form is the tyranny of evil man and the pen is the weak. But I'm trying hard to be the sheppard....


Oh...and don't forget to submit the form in triplicate. Them sheppards get might touchy about dose tings.
 
Hugh Johnson said:
FN FAL, Tim got the needle, good luck.
Well, that's good for timmy. Hey, while I got you here...

Timothy McVeigh the Border Patrolman and his partner Timothy McVeigh, are at risk of life in prison for terrorist gunfire to the anus attack...

POSTED: 8:35 pm MST March 10, 2006

March 10, 2006 -- For the first time, family members of one of the two border patrol agents convicted of shooting a suspected drug smuggler and trying to cover it up speak out.

Both the wife and father-in-law of Agent Ignacio Ramos spoke Friday, saying both Ramos and Agent Jose Alonso Compean are being used as scapegoats in this case. The family members said their convictions send a wrong message to all law enforcement officers who risk their lives every day.

As both are facing life in prison, Ramos' family said he may have made a mistake but the punishment doesn't warrant the crime.

"My husband did his job, and he would have done it 10 times over. Yes, he made a mistake. It was an administrative error. He didn't report it because he didn't want to or because he was covering it up. He made a mistake; we all make mistakes, but I don't think that life in prison is something that he should be facing, especially when this drug smuggler will never serve a day in prison for what he did," said Monica Ramos, Ignacio Ramos' wife.

"Did they try to cover it up? No ma'am, they didn't try to cover it up. Everybody knew; everybody knew what happened. Everybody heard the gunfire," said Joe Loya, Ignacio Ramos' father-in-law.
Ramos has three young sons.

He will be sentenced in June. His family is appealing the conviction
 
FN FAL said:
You still haven't proven that this is not a tax issue.

I don't have to or care to prove anything. Get a grip and take your pills dude. Nobody cares about your ranting and raving.
 
HangerRat said:
I don't have to or care to prove anything.
I think what you meant to say, is that you "can't" prove anything.
 
Hugh Johnson said:
The Second Amendment in the Courts
As a matter of law, the meaning of the Second Amendment has been settled since the ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court in U.S. v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939). In that case, the High Court wrote that the "obvious purpose" of the Second Amendment was "to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness" of the state militia. The Court added that the Amendment "must be interpreted and applied with that end in view." Since Miller, the Supreme Court has addressed the Second Amendment in two cases. In Burton v. Sills, 394 U.S. 812 (1969), the Court dismissed the appeal of a state court ruling upholding New Jersey's strict gun control law, finding the appeal failed to present a "substantial federal question." And in Lewis v. United States, 445 U.S. 55 (1980), the Court upheld the federal law banning felons from possessing guns. The Court found no "constitutionally protected liberties" infringed by the federal law.
In addition, in Maryland v. United States, 381 U.S. 41 (1965) and Perpich v. Department of Defense, 496 U.S. 334 (1990), cases not involving the Second Amendment, the Supreme Court has affirmed that today's militia is the National Guard.
Since Miller was decided, lower federal and state courts have addressed the meaning of the Second Amendment in more than thirty cases. In every case, the courts have decided that the Amendment guarantees a right to be armed only in connection with service in a "well regulated Militia." The courts unanimously have rejected the NRA's view that the Second Amendment is about the self-defense or sporting uses of guns. As the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit wrote, the courts "have analyzed the Second Amendment purely in terms of protecting state militias, rather than individual rights." United States v. Nelson, 859 F.2d 1318 (1988).



Right. Recall also that the supreme court also at one time ruled that blacks could not become citizens and that anti-slavery legislation was unconstitutional.

I would suggest that the supreme court is not necessarily a font of pure and unadulterated truth and justice.
 
So now we know what I thought all along, the issue is whether or not the rocket pods are regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934 as taxable Title II firearms, specifically (DD) Destructive Devices.

A tax issue, maybe...that is if they can fit the item into the definition of being a Destructive Device.

[SIZE=+1]‘Bizarre' fed case moving forward[/SIZE]
Indictments handed up in government's investigation of Security Aviation
February 26, 2006
MARY AMES
Frontiersman reporter

ANCHORAGE - The federal government on Wednesday moved forward with indictments of an Eagle River man and an aviation company with a hangar at the Palmer airport.

A grand jury handed up indictments of Robert Kane, 37, and his employer, Security Aviation, that included charges of possession and transportation of an unregistered destructive device, referencing two “rocket pod launchers” that could have been, but were not, hung under the wings of the company's Czechoslovakian-built L-39 jets, according to a report from the U.S. Attorney's Office. Kane and Security Aviation also were charged with attempted possession of a destructive device and Kane is charged with conspiring with known or unknown individuals to obtain four “rocket pod launchers.”

Security Aviation continues with business as normal, flying air charters and medevac flights daily, according to Craig Wolter, director of operations for Security Aviation.

“It's all a little bizarre, isn't it?” Wolter said. “Basically, we're very disappointed it's going the way it is. It's too bad the government has decided this is what they need to do about items that were demilitarized before they came into the country. They were intended for nothing other than static display. This is some sort of comment on times we live in, and it's finally catching up to Alaska.”

A group of agencies - including the FBI, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division, U.S. Marshals Service, Alaska State Troopers and the Alaska Joint Terrorism Task Force - conducted the investigation and confiscated the two devices.

The Warbirds of America, a nonprofit organization that promotes and encourages the preservation and safe operation of ex-military aircraft, is part of the Experimental Aircraft Association. After Sept. 11, 2001, the EAA had to tell federal agencies how they do things, and that they pose no threat to American security.

“This is a most curious thing,” said Dick Knapinsky, EAA spokesman. “In the Warbird community, the owners take great pains that any restorations are completely demilitarized. For example, there are no detonation caps in machine gun bullets. My general understanding is that if something's not demilitarized, it can't be brought into the country. [not true-I presented that information already] But if they are fully demilitarized, I can imagine how exasperating it would be for a company.”

The report from the U.S. attorney said the indictment mentioned Security Aviation “maintained technical manuals about the operation of the L-39 military jets.”
“Of course they would,” Knapinsky said. [duhhhhhhh!!!!???]

Operation manuals are required by the Federal Aviation Administration, he said.
The feds trucked several of Security Aviation's L-39s from the Palmer airport into Anchorage in the early morning hours of Feb. 12. The two L-39s remaining at the Palmer airport don't belong to Security Aviation, Wolter said. The company was never able to make those jets airworthy and declined to purchase them, along with two other jets that were flown out of Palmer in January. One of those jets crashed in Ketchikan Jan. 25, killing the pilot.

An L-39 NATO Zuni Rocket Pod listed for sale in Pennsylvania on eBay earlier this month is no longer listed on the site. But Knapinsky said he wasn't aware of potential prosecution by the federal government shutting down any Warbird operations or sales.

“The National Warbirds Conference is going on in Florida this week, and this might come up,” he said. “I think this is one of the issues that has been come up from time to time with the heightened security awareness. It's been on everyone's mind, just like the cost of operating and cost of insurance.”

Joe Kapper, president of Security Aviation, called the indictments an unfortunate and unnecessary step, in a press release issued by the company. What the federal government labels “rocket pod launchers,” Kapper describes as “dummy rocket pods” that were advertised on eBay as demilitarized (disabled and inoperative) and appropriate for collectors. [No tax needed...not regulated]

Wolter said the time will come when he and others at Security can speak freely about the investigation.

“This is definitely a situation where we have to be very careful what we say,” Wolter said. “They seem to be able to say whatever they want. I look forward to the time when I can.”

Contact Mary Ames at
352-2284 or mary.ames@
frontiersman.com.
 
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From www.atf.gov

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) is a tax-collecting, enforcement and regulatory arm of the U.S. Department of the Treasury. In common with all other members of the executive branch, ATF's responsibility is established by congressional action. ATF cannot enact a law, nor can it amend the law. Charged as it is with fiscal oversight of some of the most controversial topics in Western civilization, ATF strives to maintain professional neutrality while giving a 35-to-1 return on every dollar it spends. ATF has the best cost-to-collection ratio in the federal family.
ATF is the youngest tax-collecting Treasury agency, separated from the Internal Revenue Service by Treasury Department Order No. 120-1 (former No. 221), effective 1 July 1972. Notwithstanding, ATF traces its roots across two hundred years of American history.​
 
From the www.irs.gov

IRS and taxes? Who'da thunk it?

Origin

The roots of IRS go back to the Civil War when President Lincoln and Congress, in 1862, created the position of commissioner of Internal Revenue and enacted an income tax to pay war expenses. The income tax was repealed 10 years later. Congress revived the income tax in 1894, but the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional the following year.

16th Amendment
In 1913, Wyoming ratified the 16th Amendment, providing the three-quarter majority of states necessary to amend the Constitution. The 16th Amendment gave Congress the authority to enact an income tax. That same year, the first Form 1040 appeared after Congress levied a 1 percent tax on net personal incomes above $3,000 with a 6 percent surtax on incomes of more than $500,000.

In 1918, during World War I, the top rate of the income tax rose to 77 percent to help finance the war effort. It dropped sharply in the post-war years, down to 24 percent in 1929, and rose again during the Depression. During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments.
A New Name
In the 50s, the agency was reorganized to replace a patronage system with career, professional employees. The Bureau of Internal Revenue name was changed to the Internal Revenue Service. Only the IRS commissioner and chief counsel are selected by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

Today’s IRS Organization
The IRS Restructuring and Reform Act of 1998 prompted the most comprehensive reorganization and modernization of IRS in nearly half a century. The IRS reorganized itself to closely resemble the private sector model of organizing around customers with similar needs.
 
HangerRat said:
ahh more endless gobbledy gook. . . do you ever stop? Whats with the faggy avatar?

Let me guess, you're from a state with a name that begins and ends with a vowel or Missouri. Your parent gives you Ritalin for one reason or another and everybody in your family has jutting forheads and mono-brow.
 
Jeez -- you both need a time-out. More wacky accident reports, please; I get all the IRS gobbledy-gook I can stand elsewhere.

HangerRat, are you misspelling "hangar" on purpose?
 
81Horse said:
HangerRat, are you misspelling "hangar" on purpose?
What difference does it make? I bet he can name all of the characters on the Simpsons, all three judges on American Idol and the name of the dog on Family guy...and none of the constitutional amendments. Which for Sedalia and places like it, ranks right up there with MENSA material.
 
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