Alaska L-39 NTSB Preliminary Released...

[Ill Mitch]

That sucks. Yeah, I've talked to a couple of guys that went up with them last year, and they said it was a fun ride. I've been putting a few dollars back in a little secret fund and (secret because my wife would absolutely kill me if she knew I spent $400 on an airplane ride!) thinking about maybe going up with them this year, just to say I've done it.

Join the CJAA (www.classicjets.org) and go to the fly ins they have. You might have some luck and get to fly something cooler than an L-39.

 

[Ill Mitch]

dang....poor bugger. It sucks that the 2nd stage seat rockets didnt deploy. In the military world are ejection seat failures fairly rare ??? or is it really a seat check/maintanence issue.

Anyway, certainly a wild NTSB report. Reading this sort of stuff really gives me the shivers.

There was another ejection seat failure not too long ago in a civilian A-4 near Salt Lake City.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20030515X00672&key=1

 

[mcjohn]

Skipped on the freakin water!? And then climbed out of sight?

 

[HangerRat]

If you think that is crazy, check out the background info here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=72387&highlight=anchorage

 

[FN FAL]

If you think that is crazy, check out the background info here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=72387&highlight=anchorage

What's so crazy about it? The man didn't pay his federal taxes on the rockets. He got caught, he's going to get tried, most likely convicted and will spend time in club fed with the three state troopers from illinois who got caught with unregistered machineguns. There's no difference in these stories.

As fars as the guy being queer about military uniforms and stuff, big deal...lots of people collect freaking plates or dolls and to me that's just as gay, but there ain't no law agin' it.

Posted on Thu, Mar. 09, 2006

Motions hearing begins in machine gun case

BY GEORGE PAWLACZYK
News-Democrat

EAST ST. LOUIS - During a hearing in federal court today, a prosecutor threatened a suspended state trooper with an increased sentence recommendation if he persisted in "the frivolous motion to suppress now before the court..." according to a letter entered into evidence today.

During an evidentiary hearing, attorney Tom Keefe cross-examined a Federal Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives agent for 3 1/2 hours. During the questioning, Agent Robert Nosbisch said he was aware of a March 3 letter from Assistant U.S. Attorney James Crowe that if accused Illinois State Trooper James Vest went ahead with trying to get his statements thrown out of court, he could face increased time in prison if found guilty.

The letter from Crowe, addressed to Vest's attorneys, was introduced as evidence by the defense. The letter stated that if Vest pleaded guilty and accepted blame for allegedly illegally owning an automatic rifle, the prosecutors would recommend a lower sentencing range of 18-24 months in prison, but if he persisted in trying to get his statements thrown out, prosecutors likely would recommend the 27-33 months set forth in federal sentencing guidelines.

Under questioning by Keefe, Nosbisch said that he did not inform Vest, of his constitutional rights or that he could face prison time if he made incriminating statements. The ATFE agent also testified that when Vest, 39, of O'Fallon, asked for an attorney, the questioning stopped.

Vest and two other state troopers are accused of purchasing automatic rifles in 1998 and illegally possessing them.

The hearing before U.S. District Court Judge David Herndon resumes this afternoon.

 

[HangerRat]

What's so crazy about it? The man didn't pay his federal taxes on the rockets. He got caught, he's going to get tried, most likely convicted and will spend time in club fed with the three state troopers from illinois who got caught with unregistered machineguns. There's no difference in these stories.

As fars as the guy being queer about military uniforms and stuff, big deal...lots of people collect freaking plates or dolls and to me that's just as gay, but there ain't no law agin' it.

I don't think paying taxes has anything at all to do with this.

 

[FN FAL]

I don't think paying taxes has anything at all to do with this.

That's what you get for thinking and of course, you're wrong.

 

[FN FAL]

Excerpts from the National Firearms Act of 1934...

The National Firearms Act

Title 26, United States Code
INTERNAL REVENUE CODE​

CHAPTER 53 -- MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER
FIREARMS


Subchapter
A. Taxes.
B. General provisions and exemptions.
C. Prohibited acts.
D. Penalties and forfeitures.

Subchapter A - Taxes​

Part
I. Special (occupational) taxes.
II. Tax on transferring firearms.
III. Tax on making firearms.

Part I -- Special (Occupational) Taxes​

Sec.
5801. Imposition of tax
5802. Registration of importers, manufacturers, and dealers



§ 5801 Imposition of tax

(a) General rule. -- On first engaging in business and thereafter on or before July 1 of each year, every importer, manufacturer, and dealer in firearms shall pay a special (occupational) tax for each place of business at the following rates:

(1) Importers and manufacturers: $1,000 a year or fraction thereof.

(2) Dealers: $500 a year or fraction thereof.

(b) Reduced rates of tax for small importers and manufacturers:

(1) In general. -- Paragraph (1) of subsection (a) shall be applied by substituting "$500" for "$1,000" with respect to any taxpayer the gross receipts of which (for the most recent taxable year ending before the 1st day of the taxable period to which the tax imposed by subsection (a) relates) are less than $500,000.

(2) Controlled group rules. -- All persons treated as 1 taxpayer under section 5061(e)(3) shall be treated as 1 taxpayer for purposes of paragraph (1).


Part II -- Tax on Transferring Firearms


Sec.
5811. Transfer tax.
5812. Transfers.


§ 5811. Transfer tax

(a) Rate. -- There shall be levied, collected, and paid on firearms transferred a tax at the rate of $200 for each firearm transferred, except, the transfer tax on any firearm classified as any other weapon under section 5845(e) shall be at the rate of $5 for each such firearm transferred.


(b) By whom paid. -- The tax imposed by subsection (a) of this section shall be paid by the transferor.

(c) Payment. -- The tax imposed by subsection (a) of this section shall be payable by the appropriate stamps prescribed for payment by the Secretary.

(Added Pub.L. 90-618, Title II, § 201, Oct. 22, 1968, 82 Stat. 1228, and amended Pub.L. 94-455, Title XIX, § 1906(b)(13)(A), Oct. 4, 1976, 90 Stat. 1834.)




§ 5812. Transfers


(a) Application. -- A firearm shall not be transferred unless (1) the transferor of the firearm has filed with the Secretary a written application, in duplicate, for the transfer and registration of the firearm to the transferee on the application form prescribed by the Secretary; (2) any tax payable on the transfer is paid as evidenced by the proper stamp affixed to the original application form; (3) the transferee is identified in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe, except that, if such person is an individual, the identification must include his fingerprints and his photograph; (4) the transferor of the firearm is identified in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe; (5) the firearm is identified in the application form in such manner as the Secretary may by regulations prescribe; and (6) the application form shows that the Secretary has approved the transfer and the registration of the firearm to the transferee. Applications shall be denied if the transfer, receipt, or possession of the firearm would place the transferee in violation of law.


(b) Transfer of possession. -- The transferee of a firearm shall not take possession of the firearm unless the Secretary has approved the transfer and registration of the firearm to the transferee as required by subsection (a) of this section.

(Added Pub.L. 90-618, Title II, § 201, Oct. 22, 1968, 82 Stat. 1228, and amended Pub.L. 94-455, Title XIX, § 1906(b)(13)(A), Oct. 4, 1976, 90 Stat. 1834.)

 

[FN FAL]

More from the National Firearms Act of 1934...

General Provisions.
II. Exemptions.

Part I--General Provisions​

Sec.
5841. Registration of firearms.
5842. Identification of firearms.
5843. Records and returns.
5844. Importation.
5845. Definitions.
5846. Other laws applicable.
5847. Effect on other laws.
5848. Restrictive use of information.
5849. Citation of chapter.


<B>§ 5841. Registration of firearms

(a) Central registry</B>. -- The Secretary shall maintain a central registry of all firearms in the United States which are not in the possession or under the control of the United States. This registry shall be known as the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. The registry shall include --

(1) identification of the firearm;

(2) date of registration; and

(3) identification and address of person entitled to possession of the firearm.
​

(b) By whom registered. -- Each manufacturer, importer, and maker shall register each firearm he manufactures, imports, or makes. Each firearm transferred shall be registered to the transferee by the transferor.


(c) How registered. -- Each manufacturer shall notify the Secretary of the manufacture of a firearm in such manner as may by regulations be prescribed and such notification shall effect the registration of the firearm required by this section. Each importer, maker, and transferor of a firearm shall, prior to importing, making, or transferring a firearm, obtain authorization in such manner as required by this chapter or regulations issued thereunder to import, make, or transfer the firearm, and such authorization shall effect the registration of the firearm required by this section.


(d) Firearms registered on effective date of this act. -- A person shown as possessing a firearm by the records maintained by the Secretary pursuant to the National Firearms Act in force on the day immediately prior to the effective date of the National Firearms Act of 1968 shall be considered to have registered under this section the firearms in his possession which are disclosed by that record as being in his possession.


(e) Proof of registration. -- A person possessing a firearm registered as required by this section shall retain proof of registration which shall be made available to the Secretary upon request.

(Added Pub.L. 90-618, Title II, § 201, Oct. 22, 1968, 82 Stat. 1229, and amended Pub.L. 94-455, Title XIX, § 1906(b)(13)(A), Oct. 4, 1976, 90 Stat. 1834.)
​

§ 5844. Importation


No firearm shall be imported or brought into the United States or any territory under its control or jurisdiction unless the importer establishes, under regulations as may be prescribed by the Secretary, that the firearm to be imported or brought in is --

(1) being imported or brought in for the use of the United States or any
department, independent establishment, or agency thereof or any State or
possession or any political subdivision thereof; or

(2) being imported or brought in for scientific or research purposes; or

(3) being imported or brought in solely for testing or use as a model by a registered manufacturer or solely for use as a sample by a registered importer or registered dealer;

except that, the Secretary may permit the conditional importation or bringing in of a firearm for examination and testing in connection with classifying the firearm.
​

(Added Pub.L. 90-618, Title II, § 201, Oct. 22, 1968, 82 Stat. 1230, and amended Pub.L. 94-455, Title XIX, § 1906(b)(13)(A), Oct. 4, 1976, 90 Stat. 1834.)


§ 5845. Definitions


For the purpose of this chapter --


(a) Firearm. -- The term "firearm" means (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and (8) a destructive device. The term "firearm" shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.



<B>

(f) Destructive device</B>. -- The term "destructive device" means (1) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, (D) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (E) mine, or (F) similar device; (2) any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes; and (3) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device as defined in subparagraphs (1) and (2) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. The term "destructive device" shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10 of the United States Code; or any other device which the Secretary finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, or is an antique or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes.​

​

 

[FN FAL]

Had this dork applied and paid his taxes to the Treasury Dept and awaited until he received his approved form with affixed and cancelled ATF "TAX STAMP", he could have wen't off and played 'rocket man' as long as he did so on private property and followed any local or state laws.

Just like the three state troopers from illinois.


Furthermore, if he imported the rockets, he would have had additional compliance issues. However, compliance is nothing more than following the rules.