Alaska contract

[Chief Pilot]

Rumor only .. 11 , 4 ,4,4,4, guess well see in a few weeks

This is the only increase schedule that I would consider. Additionally, it needs to be coupled with a significant improvement to scope language. Anything less and it's a NO vote from me. Yes, yes...I will look at the contract in it's entirety, which means I better not see a bunch of concessions in other sections as well. We, as a whole, need to be asking ourselves why management is so quick and willing to sign this. Is it because it benefits them greatly and is essentially "cost neutral", or is it because they are suddenly willing to include the pilots in their financial success. Usually the most obvious answer is the correct one.

 

[Singlecoil]

11,4,4,4,4 is concessionary.

Let me ask you this: When you take a 124 seat 737-700 and replace it with a 181 seat 737-900ER, for a 46% increase in seats, how much of a raise would you have to give to the pilots to be budget neutral as far as crew cost per seat mile? 18%? 20% More? That much would be budget neutral. Anything less is a decrease in crew costs from the company's perspective.

 

[Boxboy]

11,4,4,4,4 is concessionary.

Let me ask you this: When you take a 124 seat 737-700 and replace it with a 181 seat 737-900ER, for a 46% increase in seats, how much of a raise would you have to give to the pilots to be budget neutral as far as crew cost per seat mile? 18%? 20% More? That much would be budget neutral. Anything less is a decrease in crew costs from the company's perspective.

True dat botha! I can't get past the "11" myself and that's just the pay rate portion of this agreement. Let's look at it from another perspective. Had we stayed with the Kasher rate of $152/hr back in '05, assuming we only got cost of living of 3%/year (average Federal gov't), our captain's rate today would be $192.55/hour. Many have been beaten down to think like the way the company wants us to think... "market based wages". Truly sad. Yeah, let's take a look at the whole package and decide for ourselves.

 

[Mamma]

I don't see the company going for 11,4,4,4,4. Thats:

Capt: FO:
$202.02 $135.42
$210.10 $140.83
$218.50 $146.47
$227.25 $152.33
$236.33 $158.42

They will never agree to being first in pay.

 

[Old School 737]

But were number 1 in all the other stats !! On time...cust sat ! ...Etc!!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Yawn. This hasn't been front page for a few days. I'm bored. How about some wild speculation?

 

[MesabaDriver]

2020 by 2020....

 

[Ocity]

It's less than 11,4,4,4,4.

WAY LESS.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I talked with a person who should know what's going on. He said scope is there, but we'll be getting what we asked for in pay, which is not enough apparently.

 

[msmb]

Then it's a no for me.... Pay me!!

 

[fam62c]

What are your expectations if you vote the TA down? What do you think will happen next and how long do you think it will take?

 

[msmb]

There has never been a better time to get our pay, work rules, etc back. This management and BOD knows this... Lets see what the offer is then go from there. But we need to ask for it all!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

There has never been a better time to get our pay, work rules, etc back. This management and BOD knows this... Lets see what the offer is then go from there. But we need to ask for it all!

This is a great time. Two dragged out years later, who knows. Where do we stand in the boom/bust cycle?

 

[Ocity]

There has never been a better time to get our pay, work rules, etc back. This management and BOD knows this... Lets see what the offer is then go from there. But we need to ask for it all!

If we got what we asked for, and it sucks, I don't blame management one bit. I don't know whose asking to be paid 20k a year less than bk American in 5 years but I guess enough of us are.

We'll see.

 

[Old School 737]

Wish more of you had voted NO last time !! Ya week dic......ks!!!

Everybody needs to read the annual shareholders statement .. Cover to cover .. Then decide ..