Alaska contract

[ImbracableCrunk]

Once again blaming others for the way your pilot group negotiated and voted.

The MEC recommended it, and the group followed.

 

[Boxboy]

Once again blaming others for the way your pilot group negotiated and voted.

Blaming only 67% of the voters. As for our negotiating committee, I don't fault them too much. They were out gunned and out witted, as always. Too bad we can't learn from past experiences. Oh well, life goes on.

 

[fam62c]

Blaming only 67% of the voters. As for our negotiating committee, I don't fault them too much. They were out gunned and out witted, as always. Too bad we can't learn from past experiences. Oh well, life goes on.

So what would you have done differently if you had been in charge that would have guaranteed the company would have given you more? If the group had voted no what do you think would have happened next given the realities of modern NMB operating philosophy?

 

[Boxboy]

So what would you have done differently if you had been in charge that would have guaranteed the company would have given you more? If the group had voted no what do you think would have happened next given the realities of modern NMB operating philosophy?

The NC felt that they've achieved all they could so they put out a TA. The MEC unanimously approved it 6-0, WTF! Should have been neutral at best. 1/3 of us voted NO. Would we have gone to the NMB? It's anybody's guess. I tend to think not.
What would I have done differently, you ask? I can't say since I wasn't there and we'll never know. I do know this. Whatever we (ALPA) are doing, it's not working for this pilot group. It hasn't worked since I've been here. In the history of this pilot group, we finally had the leverage to turn things around for the better and we blew it; rolled over again! I didn't know ALPA had a "Spin Doctorate" Ph. D.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

The pilots here don't feel that they deserve better. They still feel that little old Alaska Airlines can't compete with the big boys and we need to accept that. Until that frame of mind leaves this group we will never be compensated what we truly deserve.

Remember when you do 6 legs through SE that this company believes that there are 5 other pilot groups that can do it better. Remember when you land in LIH at night in a driving rain storm that they believe there are 5 other pilot groups that can do it better. Remember when you land on 27R in ORD in a blizzard on a slick runway that they believe there are 5 groups that can do it better.

I use that because at the end of this we will again be in 6th place, where we have always been. The only difference is we went through Kasher to have the ability to negotiate like real airline pilots and not have arbitration hanging over our head. We took a $40k per year pay cut, for this? Aside from the 900 arbitration this has been one s@$* sandwich after another. The pilots who voted yes were either scared into it or looked at Sec. 3 only. This I can guarantee!

 

[Jim]

... Whatever we (Alaska Airlines ALPA unit as voted in by the Alaska Airlines pilot group) are doing, it's not working for this pilot group...

FIFY - it's your Alaska Airlines ALPA unit and your pilot group controlling your destiny, not ALPA National.

 

[fam62c]

The NC felt that they've achieved all they could so they put out a TA. The MEC unanimously approved it 6-0, WTF! Should have been neutral at best. 1/3 of us voted NO. Would we have gone to the NMB? It's anybody's guess. I tend to think not.
What would I have done differently, you ask? I can't say since I wasn't there and we'll never know. I do know this. Whatever we (ALPA) are doing, it's not working for this pilot group. It hasn't worked since I've been here. In the history of this pilot group, we finally had the leverage to turn things around for the better and we blew it; rolled over again! I didn't know ALPA had a "Spin Doctorate" Ph. D.

What leverage did you "finally have" that would have gotten the company to put more into a deal?

 

[fam62c]

The pilots here don't feel that they deserve better. They still feel that little old Alaska Airlines can't compete with the big boys and we need to accept that. Until that frame of mind leaves this group we will never be compensated what we truly deserve.

Remember when you do 6 legs through SE that this company believes that there are 5 other pilot groups that can do it better. Remember when you land in LIH at night in a driving rain storm that they believe there are 5 other pilot groups that can do it better. Remember when you land on 27R in ORD in a blizzard on a slick runway that they believe there are 5 groups that can do it better.

I use that because at the end of this we will again be in 6th place, where we have always been. The only difference is we went through Kasher to have the ability to negotiate like real airline pilots and not have arbitration hanging over our head. We took a $40k per year pay cut, for this? Aside from the 900 arbitration this has been one s@$* sandwich after another. The pilots who voted yes were either scared into it or looked at Sec. 3 only. This I can guarantee!

So what do you think would have happened if the group turned down the TA? Do you think the company would have just automatically given you more? Did the company need to get a deal with you in a timely manner for some reason? I just want to understand the plan that the no voters had if the TA was rejected, what was the new strategy that would have resulted in better gains?

 

[Old School 737]

I doubt they would have announced the .20 cents a share stock Dividend had we voted it down .. That prob would have been poor taste .. But what do I know .. Our FA have bigger balls than we do .. They actually filed a grievence over the Skywest flying years ago .. Us .. Well we just rolled over and were like ok it's only 5 planes .. Oh wait 8 now ...

 

[AKMD80GUY]

So what do you think would have happened if the group turned down the TA? Do you think the company would have just automatically given you more? Did the company need to get a deal with you in a timely manner for some reason? I just want to understand the plan that the no voters had if the TA was rejected, what was the new strategy that would have resulted in better gains?

There is no reason to negotiate with this pilot group for meaningful improvements because they know we will cave. Had this pilot group shown some resolve and unity then things may have gone different. They knew we would roll over and we did its that simple.

I don't blame the company one bit. They did exactly as I would expect them to do. When you negotiate with pansies this is what you get, chump change for pay and all the work rule improvements the company could ask for.