Alaska Announces SLC-LAX,SJC,PDX,SEA,SAN

[LandGreen]

I wouldn't necessarily "welcome" it but I certainly don't think it'd be the end of the World like a lot of Alaska folks would. We'd get a fair deal via MB, negotiate industry leading rates, and move on. All I'd care about is protecting the bases. Not interested in being based anywhere East of San Diego.

Actually, I think it would be a pretty easy integration. AK would fence base in SEA, DL could fence anything bigger than 737. Everyone would be happy!

 

[Metrojet]

Ok, I'll add my conspiracy theory (tin foil hat on). Delta makes it look like a battle with Alaska, building up the northwest. American uses Alaska to fly it's west coast connections, thinking it's safe. Delta aquires Alaska and owns the west coast. American is left with it's pants down on the west coast. That's why I say American should eventually have it's own west coast operation. Well, that and I'm a westie.

I thought American has a west coast operation - in LAX and now PHX

Metrojet

 

[Mamma]

Actually, I think it would be a pretty easy integration. AK would fence base in SEA, DL could fence anything bigger than 737. Everyone would be happy!

Many of Delta's 757s are smaller than the 737-900ER in terms of capacity.

http://takingoff.delta.com/post/57423437462/inside-delta-take-a-peek-inside-the-new-757-200

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Actually, I think it would be a pretty easy integration. AK would fence base in SEA, DL could fence anything bigger than 737. Everyone would be happy!

And that's why we need to buy Hawaiian.

 

[General Lee]

DL has 228 new mainline planes coming, some for replacement. (Although hearing since profits are high, some 757s may not retire as quickly). I'm hearing hiring may increase to 600 next year, and continue that way indefinitely.

So....... I have a feeling 99.9% of the DL pilots want internal growth first. Hopefully it's time DL pilots fly those West Coast flights again, which went away after Leo Mullin took over. It doesn't have to be huge, but rather enough to feed that SEA hub sufficiently. I think 10-12 717s would be a good start.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Actually, I think it would be a pretty easy integration. AK would fence base in SEA, DL could fence anything bigger than 737. Everyone would be happy!

If DL adds a 737 base in SEA prior, then it would be open. Remember, there is currently a 757/767 (ER) and an A330 pilot base in SEA. Those would likely be fenced for decades (career expectations---no widebodies at AK or anything bigger than a 739ER). DL also has a 737 and 757/767 base at LAX. I could maybe see a fence around PDX and ANC for awhile, but it appears ANC may shrink with Horizon Dash-8-400s possibly taking intra Alaska routes.

I honestly don't know if any of this would or could happen, but I hope it doesn't. Internal growth would be a lot better, and as of right now, it seems like internal growth may happen.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Many of Delta's 757s are smaller than the 737-900ER in terms of capacity.

http://takingoff.delta.com/post/57423437462/inside-delta-take-a-peek-inside-the-new-757-200

The Song planes had all economy, and 757-300s carry more than 767-300ERs with larger lie flat seats. They also pay more than the 737-900ERs.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hoooray!!! Airliners.net!!! Wooo Hooo!!

And you only use FI for your aviation news and rumors? Really? Hey Mercy, Mars will attack tomorrow! Run for the hills dip wad!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Ocity]

Actually, I think it would be a pretty easy integration. AK would fence base in SEA, DL could fence anything bigger than 737. Everyone would be happy!

Fence ANC, SEA,PDX,LAX, and possibly SAN and fence the delta WB and I'd have no problem at all with that. I'm still hoping to never have to deal with it however.

 

[General Lee]

Fence ANC, SEA,PDX,LAX, and possibly SAN and fence the delta WB and I'd have no problem at all with that. I'm still hoping to never have to deal with it however.

Ummmm DL 737 base in LAX, and plenty of DL guys living in SAN. I'd think this latest tiff with AK may cause the airline to move more narrow bodies to the NW, and the 737 or 717 could be possibilities.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

The Song planes had all economy, and 757-300s carry more than 767-300ERs with larger lie flat seats. They also pay more than the 737-900ERs.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Song?

Are they hiring?

 

[Hpilot]

I thought American has a west coast operation - in LAX and now PHX

Metrojet

You're correct American does fly on the west coast, but it is the weakest area of it's US network. US Airways used to be strong on the west coast after it aquired PSA, but it pulled out of most of that flying. American had a profitable pilot base in SEA, but management shut it down in retaliation for the pilot sick out. It's one area of possible expansion for the combined carrier. I want to see it of course, because I like the west coast. Hopefully it will make economic sense in the future.

 

[General Lee]

Song?

Are they hiring?

You wouldn't have been hired..... Sorry. But I can't wait to get on with Transtar... Are they hiring?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

And you only use FI for your aviation news and rumors? Really? Hey Mercy, Mars will attack tomorrow! Run for the hills dip wad!


Bye Bye---General Lee

I use to just laugh at you, but it is now getting to the point that I am starting to feel sorry for you. My mom always told me it was not nice to make fun of the mentally challenged, so I might have to rethink some things..

Bye Bye---Genital "Warts" Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

And that's why we need to buy Hawaiian.

Another easy integration, Hawaiian obviously would have fences around all the wide body flying, the future A321 neo's and inter-island. So nothing would change for the AK folks. Now Alaska would just be a small version of the old USAir. So what would be the point?
You are good at what you do and we are good at what we do. Combined? Not so much. A relatively small International AirBus hub in HNL hardly fits into what Alaska Airlines does. Apples and Oranges.

 

[General Lee]

Another easy integration, Hawaiian obviously would have fences around all the wide body flying, the future A321 neo's and inter-island. So nothing would change for the AK folks. Now Alaska would just be a small version of the old USAir. So what would be the point?
You are good at what you do and we are good at what we do. Combined? Not so much. A relatively small International AirBus hub in HNL hardly fits into what Alaska Airlines does. Apples and Oranges.

I don't think the 321s would be fenced in that scenario, since it is about the same size as their 739ER, and would be doing the same type missions. Mergers can be tricky, and fences are often used, but people think people wont be bumped to undesirable bases. A lot of the junior "South" pilots at DL were bumped up to "North" bases as planes were moved from base to base and some bases were closed (MEM, ANC), while another shrank (CVG). If DL were to acquire anyone, AK or HA for example, some of those pilots would end up in DTW or NYC on a narrowbody. That's just the way it is.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I use to just laugh at you, but it is now getting to the point that I am starting to feel sorry for you. My mom always told me it was not nice to make fun of the mentally challenged, so I might have to rethink some things..

Bye Bye---Genital "Warts" Lee

"Mamma say alligators are so cranky cause they got so many teeth to brush..." Thanks waterboy! You're a complete idiot....but a funny one Forest Dump!

Let's you and me say your deal together: "Mamma say..."


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

"Mamma say alligators are so cranky cause they got so many teeth to brush..." Thanks waterboy! You're a complete idiot....but a funny one Forest Dump!

Let's you and me say your deal together: "Mamma say..."


Bye Bye---General Lee

Well which is it? Waterboy or Forest Dump? You that confused?

I'll answer that for you. Yes, you are one very confused woman.

 

[LandGreen]

Fence ANC, SEA,PDX,LAX, and possibly SAN and fence the delta WB and I'd have no problem at all with that. I'm still hoping to never have to deal with it however.

I would guess if DAL actually combined with AK...SEA and LAX will be the only surviving bases. Not sure about ANC with Horizon beginning ops up there.

DL has a LAX 737 base so AK won't get a fence on that one. So...probably only SEA 737. Lets hope this never happens and both airlines just grow organically.

 

[Mamma]

Another easy integration, Hawaiian obviously would have fences around all the wide body flying, the future A321 neo's and inter-island. So nothing would change for the AK folks. Now Alaska would just be a small version of the old USAir. So what would be the point?
You are good at what you do and we are good at what we do. Combined? Not so much. A relatively small International AirBus hub in HNL hardly fits into what Alaska Airlines does. Apples and Oranges.

On buying Hawaiian, I would imagine the Alaska Air Group would buy it and operate it as a separate entity. Just like Horizon. I doubt they would even change the name.

 

[Dan Roman]

On buying Hawaiian, I would imagine the Alaska Air Group would buy it and operate it as a separate entity. Just like Horizon. I doubt they would even change the name.

If anything, that would be the way to do it, most of what makes Hawaiian successful in Hawaii is the fact that people like to go to Hawaii on Hawaiian Air and they offer a much more authentic "Hawaii" experience...Besides the obvious Hawaii ambiance, our Hawaii based employees make a big difference that would be lost if Hawaiian was diluted into a mainland airline.
We don't have the much to offer a mainland airline that would not be lost if they merged with anyone.
Regardless, AK, DAL or anyone else is probably highly unlikely. We are both doing fine independently, I'm not worried about it. If anyone wanted to buy Hawaiian and merge them, they would be spending a lot of money to become a very unpopular airline in Hawaii.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

On buying Hawaiian, I would imagine the Alaska Air Group would buy it and operate it as a separate entity. Just like Horizon. I doubt they would even change the name.

This exact scenario is what most of us Alaska pilots that voted no on our last CBA were screaming about. Not so much the regionals of the world but whipsawing another carrier against us with like size or larger equipment.