Alaska Airlines Pilots Reach an Agreement in Concept on a New Contract

[kingair1]

I said $20.00 not 20 % . But that is from someone I flew with a while back... Oh well...

 

[igneousy2]

Chief,

The rumor we’re hearing around AA is 10% immediate pay raise with a 4% increase per year for 4 years plus a $20,000 signing bonus for CA’s and $25,000 signing bonus for FO’s. No change to their retirement benefits.

Here’s how the numbers play out:

12 Year 737 CA FO

Current 154 97
2009 169.40 106.70
2010 176.17 110.97
2011 183.22 115.40
2012 190.17 120.02
2013 198.17 124.82

Current
LUV 198.00 131.00
AA 165.69 112.67

I’ve got to agree with Lorenzo on this one. Overall, looks weak. We’re hearing LUV is currently inking a contract with 3% pay raises (based on profitability), so it basically takes four years for Alaska CA’s just to catch up to LUV's present rate. The FO’s never catch up to LUV.

A 4.0% annual increase is just barely over the current inflation rate. What happens if Barack’s bill causes hyper inflation a few years down the road??
I wonder if their guys will fall for the chump change.

Looks like another big win for management.

AA767AV8TOR

I have no idea about the validity of your numbers however, based on the official e-mails we have already been sent by ALPA

1. FO pay...I am paraphrasing as I don't remember the exact wording, however, ...FO pay is to be restored to the pre-kasher CA to FO ratio. If Kasher had kept the ratio which was 70% for a 12 year FO, then that would put the current 12 year FO rate at 109.19. I keep hearing more senior pilots talke about 65%, however, when I calculate the pre-Kasher numbers the ratio ranges from 70% down to 50% at year 2 and then 30% at year 1. If someone can explain to me how it worked pre-kasher then it would be most helpful. Here is what I figure the FO rates should have been had Kasher respected the traditional ratios between CA and FO rates based on the prekasher/kasher rates available on the MEC website.

YR CUR Should'of
1 35.16 37.82
2 61.67 65.66
3 72.99 79.30
4 80.15 83.69
5 85.66 86.50
6 87.89 90.10
7 89.47 94.55
8 91.07 95.96
9 93.07 99.49
10 94.69 103.83
11 95.94 106.91
12 96.83 109.19

If the AA rumore is correct coupled with the statement from our union I would think that a 12th year FO should make $120 now and then $140 by contract end. No?

2. Retirement - The union also stated that the retirement offerings were in fact changing. From reading between the lines of the e-mail merged with the previous offers from the company I think we are all going to have a choice of staying in the A-plan as is (1.9A%/3%B)...having a combined mini-A/increased B (last known company offer was 1%a/7?%B)...or going to an all B-plan option (last known offer was 12%B).

 

[Going2Baja]

Hot off the web boards - Capt & F/O retro will be equal....No word on the amount.

Baja.

 

[Chief Pilot]

Chief,

I’ve got to agree with Lorenzo on this one. Overall, looks weak. We’re hearing LUV is currently inking a contract with 3% pay raises (based on profitability), so it basically takes four years for Alaska CA’s just to catch up to LUV's present rate. The FO’s never catch up to LUV.

A 4.0% annual increase is just barely over the current inflation rate. What happens if Barack’s bill causes hyper inflation a few years down the road??
I wonder if their guys will fall for the chump change.

Looks like another big win for management.

AA767AV8TOR

AA767,

I agree that if all we see is a 4% increase, then a year over year increase of 4%, it's pretty weak. I dug out Alaska ALPA's short term proposal that was submitted to the NMB in December and the numbers are significantly different.

12 year rates CA/FO

2009 178.03 (up 15%) / 118.58 (up 21%)
2010 185.15 (+4%) / 123.32 (+4%)
2011 192.56 (+4%) / 128.26 (+4%)

These were the rates that ALPA told management were rock bottom. Our next contract is planned to go out further, so I obviously don't know if these will be totally accurate. However, I highly doubt that the MEC is rolling over and playing dead for a simple +4% to start. It will never pass membership ratification and they know it. We also have an intact A & B plan and work rule improvements from what I've heard.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again, until we see the actual TA this whole discussion is merely an exercise in speculation. Glad to see you guys are looking at decent rates for the 737.

CP

 

[Sioux115]

Any actual language out for the TA yet?

 

[wscrj]

Nope, nothing yet. The MEC is hoping to get something out before ALPA's support staff people come to self help on their own contract. Getting down to the wire.

 

[StopNTSing]

another bump....

Any word on final language?

 

[Baze]

We should find out on Monday or Tuesday.

Any word on final language?

 

[av8instyle]

We just got word that the MEC is meeting Monday to vote on whether or not to send it to vote. If so, we will probably know some numbers by the end of the week. I'm personally not holding my breath for any substantial numbers. After a 34% cut it would take around a 50% raise to get us back to where we WERE. I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon.

 

[Ih8AFYesmen]

No one has seen it but I smell turd.

 

[jetflier]

I was once told that a captain could buy a new Cadillac on a months take-home pay. That was 20 years ago. Figure what a Cadillac costs today, ($50,000)in todays dollars, that means that a senior Captain was taking home 50K/month and most likely grossing $60,000 to $75,000 per month ! That's more than $720,000 per year!!
We have lost a lot of ground, and need to always remember this when negotiating our contracts.

 

[Going2Baja]

LAX CP said he thought the overall package was better than current SWA. Fingers crossed!

Baja.

 

[becket]

LAX CP said he thought the overall package was better than current SWA. Fingers crossed!

Baja.

RRRRRIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTT....

That'd be great, but nothing in recent history would suggest that management would dream of doing better than SWA.

 

[Baze]

LAX CP said he thought the overall package was better than current SWA. Fingers crossed!

Baja.

Sorry Baja,

I have to agree with becket on this one.

IF (and that is a big IF) we were to get a contract anywhere near as good as WN's, then I think that would start the end of the known universe.

I'm not holding my breath.

Baze

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

LAX CP said he thought the overall package was better than current SWA. Fingers crossed!

Baja.

No, no, no, guys. You got it all wrong:

What Baja meant was the CP had his fingers crossed when he said that.

 

[turbodriver]

TA's finally on it's way! But not until the furloughees get sold out first. What are they going to sell us out for you say? What will we get for the company violating section 23 of the CBA which resulted in this illegal furlough?

Non-rev travel (which we can't use cause who has $$$ to travel when you're out of a job) and shifting COBRA reimbursement to the company instead of the ALPA assessment that the pilot group voted in late last year. And since the compny has already demonstrated that they can't follow a legal labor agreement, they'll find a way to weasel out of the COBRA reimbursement as well. They'll just figure that they can settle for something stupid. And if this settlement goes through next week, it'll just prove to the company that the union will take such $hitty deals in the future.

This is a fact, not a rumor. This settlement is on the table and it will be decided on this week. Contact your MEC rep yourself if you don't believe what you read on the internet.

 

[mach none]

Pretty sure they cannot stop COBRA as that would violate lots of federal laws. Why don't you just wait to see what the TA entails before speculating about dumb-ass rumors.

 

[Wally]

Non-rev travel (which we can't use cause who has $$$ to travel when you're out of a job)

Here's an idea to save some money... sell your computer and cancel your internet. Bonus: You might enjoy life more too.

This is a fact, not a rumor.

Fact: that was funny!

Why don't you just wait to see what the TA entails before speculating about dumb-ass rumors.

I like this idea.

 

[Going2Baja]

IF (and that is a big IF) we were to get a contract anywhere near as good as WN's, then I think that would start the end of the known universe.

Baze

I´m sure we´re not getting SWA pay, but we also have a pension, the sick leave and buy back is supposed to be very good. Also the new scheduling package is supposed to make reserve life better.

Let´s wait and see the road show and power points before we sell ourselves short.

As for furloughees not being able to travel....The Mexican Peso is 14 to 1 right now. Come down here and chill for close to nothing until recall. You´re family will thank you later!!

Adios - Baja.

 

[kg911]

Why don't you just wait to see what the TA entails before speculating about dumb-ass rumors.

Excellent advice Mach. Glad somebody said it.