AirTran Strike Vote...98 percent say YES!

[Lear70]

Are you guys going to strike or not?

Don't know... it's certainly a "wrinkle" in the game plan.

We meet with the company for negotiations again with the NMB likely a week from Monday or Tuesday (when we WERE, more than likely, going to request to be released to strike). The company is NOW saying, in the interest of having a stable company to merge, that they would like to "bridge the divide" and finish the contract.

Since the only things remaining are financial, it's completely up to the company. I'm sure our MEC is getting feedback from a few people saying to "give a little", but not only is the mainline sentiment to get something we can live with "just in case" this doesn't work out, but further, the problem is they really can't suddenly cave on our requirements; the Wilson Polling data was very specific on what the minimum signable contract levels are.

We're also dealing with a Lame Duck management team. Per the T&C's of the acquisition paperwork, unless required by the NMB, the company may not sign any material change to our CBA without the express approval of the SWA BoD or Gary Kelly. Which means... interestingly enough... Southwest now controls our contract negotiations, albeit from behind the scenes.

So what remains to be seen next week is whether our management has been given a directive to "get it done", or whether the directive is "stall if you can" and gamble we won't get militant. Personally, I wouldn't choose Option B, simply because it would become very obvious VERY quickly to our pilots just exactly WHERE those marching orders are coming from...

For that reason alone, I'm actually cautiously optimistic about next week's negotiating session. There are literally BILLIONS of dollars at stake for what equates to very little over the course of the next year to 18 months as we transition into the Southwest contract structure and pay rates. There's no REASONABLE excuse not to give us a fair contract to live under for the year or two it will take to get this all done.

Will we strike if NOT given a reasonable contract? Not before DOCC. After that,,, I make no promises.

 

[K-Mart]

Very interesting that Kelly controls the negotiations. I had a feeling about this. Thanks for the info. BIG PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. I would not be suprised if Kelly gave you a good raise. I guess he already did.

 

[Lear70]

Very interesting that Kelly controls the negotiations. I had a feeling about this. Thanks for the info. BIG PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. I would not be suprised if Kelly gave you a good raise. I guess he already did.

Believe it when you're cashing the check, my friend.

Like I said, "cautiously optimistic". Until then, continuing to hope for the best, but plan for the worst, like the rest of us. Aviation, she is a fickle task master. You never know what she's gonna throw at you.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

There are literally BILLIONS of dollars at stake for what equates to very little over the course of the next year to 18 months as we transition into the Southwest contract structure and pay rates

Question...........

Is a retro/ signing bonus on the table? If so, will ALPA be looking to get their "fair share"? I haven't heard much on this subject. I do however remember the uproar at a previous employer when the signing bonus pot was set for the planned distribution.

I bet ALPA is looking to make sure they cash in on every penny they can get their nappy lil hands on.

Dick

 

[puff daddy mac]

And kill their golden ticket?

Gup

So you're saying you have this "Golden Ticket"?

 

[Ty Webb]

Funny, Lear, I didn't read that clause the same as you . . . . It looked to me like it said that they would make no changes, except those required by good faith negotiations under the RLA, or something to that effect. I will have to reread that after a little more coffee.

 

[Jim Smyth]

I dont have time to read through all the threads but my recommendation to the AirTran guys is do your homework. Southwest is a stand up company and will treat you right in time. Re-Read, it takes time to work stuff out. Work with them and dont expect instant rewards/pay increases! Research how Southwest handled Muse Air and TranStar Merger/Acquisition or lack there of. If you put your pride in front of common sense you may not like the outcome. At the time Herb was running the show. He was a man of his word. I assume Gary is a clone of Herbs.

 

[K-Mart]

Lear
I'll be an evil person here and say I believe Kelly will do it because he thinks it will bring your wages up to SWA wages. From there the SLI will be a lot easier since your wages would be comparable. Wouldn't even be shocked if the SWA Union President knew this.

Best of luck to everyone!

 

[texman]

K mart,

Good point, but it won't happen. Airtran is making money. From a biz stand point why would they do that. Until the pilots integrate to our network and route structure then the cost will be equal, to give a pay bump per our contract.

 

[Lear70]

Funny, Lear, I didn't read that clause the same as you . . . . It looked to me like it said that they would make no changes, except those required by good faith negotiations under the RLA, or something to that effect. I will have to reread that after a little more coffee.

I read that to mean that they are allowed to continue to meet with us as directed by the NMB and to follow NMB instructions, but the NMB can't REQUIRE the company come to an agreement.

So, since good-faith negotiations don't REQUIRE the company to come to an agreement, and the company can't make any changes otherwise, it would basically fall into Gary Kelly's lap to approve any CBA.

This is pretty standard stuff when it comes to the business world in general, as I'm sure you're familiar with. A company buys another company and ties that company up from entering into any new contracts until the DOCC. Otherwise you'd have a small trucking company contracting to their brother-in-law to supply all their gas at full retail prices for a 10-year contract right after the paperwork was signed and there'd be nothing the purchasing company could do about it.

Lear
I'll be an evil person here and say I believe Kelly will do it because he thinks it will bring your wages up to SWA wages. From there the SLI will be a lot easier since your wages would be comparable. Wouldn't even be shocked if the SWA Union President knew this.

Best of luck to everyone!

I don't know if they'll agree to bring us up to SWA wages, since we weren't even asking for those (closer to ALA/HAL + 2%), but I wouldn't be a BIT surprised if the company came back with a fairly reasonable offer.

Time will tell. We meet with the company up at the NMB in 2 weeks and we'll know a lot more after that 2 or 3 day session... Until then, not worrying about it, as there's nothing I can do about it, just sitting back and enjoying life.

 

[vv100]

Once you are on property you will understand when I say GK does not spend a nickle he doesn't have to

 

[thruthemurk]

Question...........

Is a retro/ signing bonus on the table? If so, will ALPA be looking to get their "fair share"? I haven't heard much on this subject. I do however remember the uproar at a previous employer when the signing bonus pot was set for the planned distribution.

I bet ALPA is looking to make sure they cash in on every penny they can get their nappy lil hands on.

Dick

Just how big of an uninformed idjit are you? Do you have the slightest clue how labor relations and contracts work - and in this case signing bonuses?

Wow...we are doomed as a profession.

 

[Full of LUV]

K mart,

Good point, but it won't happen. Airtran is making money. From a biz stand point why would they do that. Until the pilots integrate to our network and route structure then the cost will be equal, to give a pay bump per our contract.

Yes, but couldn't Airtran make more money if they just gave concessions for the next 18 months?

Why would they want to do that.... well to forge a new team of labor that is content with the merger and does everything in it's power to make it go through smoothly. I thought SWA was the model of labor relations, soon they will be marketing ATL and all of Airtran's flights, why wouldn't their pilots get SWA rates sooner rather than later.
LUV

 

[Full of LUV]

Just how big of an uninformed idjit are you? Do you have the slightest clue how labor relations and contracts work - and in this case signing bonuses?

Wow...we are doomed as a profession.

I think what he was referring to is ALPA gets a cut of "retro pay" where they don't generally of "signing bonuses". There is a difference and obviously ALPA is interested in essentially getting the company to admit this should have been done years ago, hence the retro pay, vice just cash to make the problem go away via bonuses.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Just how big of an uninformed idjit are you? Do you have the slightest clue how labor relations and contracts work - and in this case signing bonuses?

Wow...we are doomed as a profession.

The contract signed at ASA had a signing bonus, not retro, and it paid ALPA their share.

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I think what he was referring to is ALPA gets a cut of "retro pay" where they don't generally of "signing bonuses". There is a difference and obviously ALPA is interested in essentially getting the company to admit this should have been done years ago, hence the retro pay, vice just cash to make the problem go away via bonuses.

Thanks for understanding english. If/when they come to some sort of agreement on this, that will be the last thing to hash out. ALPA has a decision to make. Go after making SWA ALPA, which means dumping a bunch of money in SLI. If not, then they go after getting a contract done with AT that will include a huge pot of money that they get a portion of.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=105944&highlight=asa+retro+pay

This is potentially a huge pot of money. If progess is being made in the immediate future, this will be a consideration and I was curious if it had been discussed. I guess it hasn't.

Dick

 

[oriondriver]

Lear
I'll be an evil person here and say I believe Kelly will do it because he thinks it will bring your wages up to SWA wages. From there the SLI will be a lot easier since your wages would be comparable. Wouldn't even be shocked if the SWA Union President knew this.

Best of luck to everyone!

so you are saying GK will give AT pilots a raise to give them better negotiating capital against WN pilots. he will infuriate 5700 pilots to appease 1600 pilots. could be a great strategy. lets watch to see how it works out.

Peace
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