Airtran shifting the role of some of their RJs

[Murphy]

What is the official ALPA policy on scope?

 

[tubelcane]

Ask a TWA guy!

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

While your introductory fare may be lower, a pax on Allegiant still has to pay the booking fee, the baggage fee, the fee for selecting a seat, fee for a soda, etc...

When it's all said and done, AirTran may actually be cheaper than Allegiant. AirTran will also get you much closer to the attractions.

But the passenger doesn't HAVE to buy any of this. If they want to get the clan down to FL for the cheapest fare, they will go with whoever has the lowest base fare. People will search for hours online to save $10, but they will have no problem plunking down $30 in sodas and snacks while on board. I know it sounds weird, but it's true, and it's the main reason that we're profitable.

 

[maxblast72]

And absolutly hold the line, just remember SCOPE is not exactly ALPA's strong suit. Look at what's going on at DAL right now.

The situation at Airtran is a little different. Scope relaxation or a different payscale for a 100 seat aircraft will possibly affect 63% of our pilots as the 717 makes up 63% of our fleet. At Delta, much easier for senior guys to let a few DC-9s get replaced by a few E-170/CRJ900s if they get something in return (better pay, retirement).

At Airtran, you only have to go back 5 years to get to the 50% seniority point. I would imagine at Delta it takes at least 15 years. Tougher for those guys that have been there 15 years to remember where they came from and tend to sell the junior guys down the road more often.

 

[75M]

The situation at Airtran is a little different. Scope relaxation or a different payscale for a 100 seat aircraft will possibly affect 63% of our pilots as the 717 makes up 63% of our fleet.

True, but it makes up more like 70 % of our block hours.

 

[Colonel Savage]

The situation at Airtran is a little different. Scope relaxation or a different payscale for a 100 seat aircraft will possibly affect 63% of our pilots as the 717 makes up 63% of our fleet. At Delta, much easier for senior guys to let a few DC-9s get replaced by a few E-170/CRJ900s if they get something in return (better pay, retirement).

At Airtran, you only have to go back 5 years to get to the 50% seniority point. I would imagine at Delta it takes at least 15 years. Tougher for those guys that have been there 15 years to remember where they came from and tend to sell the junior guys down the road more often.

Good points all, Max. Just keep an eye on ALPA, they like to homogenize pilot contracts.

 

[maxblast72]

True, but it makes up more like 70 % of our block hours.

Actually, it is the other way around. Due to higher aircraft utilization rate, 737 flies a higher percentage of total block hours compared to their fleet size. From March bid pack, 717 flew 27,663 block hrs (62%) and 737 flew 17,020 block hrs (38%) even though the aircraft split is 63%/37% (86 717s/50 737s).

 

[scarlet]

Yeah and the captain pay at ALG. is what 86-95 for the first few years as CPT. on a POS 80.

 

[CA1900]

While your introductory fare may be lower, a pax on Allegiant still has to pay the booking fee, the baggage fee, the fee for selecting a seat, fee for a soda, etc...

AirTran also charges a baggage fee ($15) and a select-a-seat fee ($6-20 per segment).

 

[Colonel Savage]

AirTran also charges a baggage fee ($15) and a select-a-seat fee ($6-20 per segment).

How much were you charged for that thing you're smoking?

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Yeah and the captain pay at ALG. is what 86-95 for the first few years as CPT. on a POS 80.

Yeah, you're right. They're not as well-made as the CL-65, which will be around for decades to come.

 

[CA1900]

How much were you charged for that thing you're smoking?

Free sample. :laugh:

But if you think I'm smoking something regarding AirTran, go try and book a ticket for yourself. $15 for a bag. $6 to pick your seat ahead of time. $20 if you want an exit row. And you'll pay it twice if you're making a connection in ATL.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Free sample. :laugh:

HAHAHA...Good one!

 

[eaglesview]

My only advice is be careful not to talk down or diminish in any way the flying you do at the same time you're trying to defend it. The walls have ears...

And absolutly hold the line, just remember SCOPE is not exactly ALPA's strong suit. Look at what's going on at DAL right now.

You got that right. ALPA will give away the store if they think it will bring one more dime there way. Them secratary's are expensive. Tranny folks will figure it out soon but it will be too late. Welcome aboard.

 

[Britpilot]

You got that right. ALPA will give away the store if they think it will bring one more dime there way. Them secretaries are expensive. Tranny folks will figure it out soon but it will be too late. Welcome aboard.

Really? and I thought it was the pilots who vote on pilot contracts, silly me.