AirTran QOL

[Flip Conroy]

And WE all know that Lame Lizard, Boris Yelling, Chuck Yogurt, Texas Jet Jock, Lawman, Einstein and others are the SAME idiot.

 

[Lame Lizard]

And WE all know that Lame Lizard, Boris Yelling, Chuck Yogurt, Texas Jet Jock, Lawman, Einstein and others are the SAME idiot.

Yeah, and I am a moderator also.

 

[CAVOK69]

And what I and others have been saying is that in fact it is not a hard minimum. There is a "military equivalent", whatever that means. Maybe there should be a "corporate minimum" as well then, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be.

What we are saying is that it is what it is and potential applicants have two choices. Look elsewhere or get what it takes to get hired. This is not unique in the industry. SWA with the type and Fedex with their multiple internal rec requirements as examples. What you "think is sufficient to learn the 121 side of things" notwithstanding.

BTW Nice Avatar!

Well, you are very correct, it is what it is... But, I find myself in a tough position if I am interested in Airtran... Can't really justify going to a regional to get the 121 time at this point and take a $45,000/year paycut and stop the steady flow of Jet PIC. May just have to look elsewhere.

 

[fletch717]

I would say that unless you have a recommendation and 5000 hours. AT won't even put you in the "right stack". It's just the way they do things here.

 

[737Longhorn]

"This place will never go out of business!!"

These words were spoken by pilots at:

Eastern
Braniff
Pan-Am (Pan-Am 2, Pan-Am 3)
Independance
Kiwi
Midway
Jets-Go
Southeast
Great Plains
National
Vanguard
Panagra...

Shall we go on?

You forgot TWA...

 

[Lame Lizard]

You forgot TWA...

Also,

Western Pacific

 

[CAVOK69]

I would say that unless you have a recommendation and 5000 hours. AT won't even put you in the "right stack". It's just the way they do things here.

oh well, i'll still try, luckily I do have a good recommendation. Can't hurt to try right?

 

[Mach8Forest]

You forgot TWA...

We did not go out of business! We were raped!
Mach8Forest

 

[TedCFII]

I would say that unless you have a recommendation and 5000 hours. AT won't even put you in the "right stack". It's just the way they do things here.

I have 6000 hours, 2000+ 121 Jet PIC an internal Rec, have attended an Air Inc Job Fair, with still no success.

 

[CAVOK69]

what is up with that?

 

[400ADude]

It's been good to me, so far. I was hired after 9/11 and have been a 737 CA for over 18 months, very few places to do that at right now.

For newhires today, though, it's a different story, and we have been losing about 4 newhires a month to SWA, Fedex, UPS, CAL, Jet Blue and Emirates. We have even had a few fairly senior captains bail in the last few months, if that says anything.

Unfortunately, management is too busy stuffing money in their pockets on their way out the door to do anything other than pull out the old "Eastern Airlines Contract Negotiations Manual", and it is really starting to show.

This is really unfortunate, since the long-term costs of that decision will vastly outweigh any short-term savings.

They have done a great job of squandering the goodwill that used to exist. Wonder how long before Wall Street starts to notice, or maybe they have . . . the stock is down about 25% from it's high this year.

I think it says a lot.

 

[Bob Dylan]

I think it says a lot.

Um, wow! Unreal how much these guys just hit the big time, yet they want more, more, more!

 

[Ty Webb]

Um, wow! Unreal how much these guys just hit the big time, yet they want more, more, more!

I could say the same thing to you, sister. What makes you think you deserve my seat?

Hell, you can't even admit who you work for. No one takes you seriously.

 

[redflyer65]

What a blast from the past.

 

[DonVerita]

There is a similar blast from the past thread that also re-surfaced on here. Someone named Ghettosomething. Now you see this one by 400Ahole immediately followed by Bob Dylan.

I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of these idiots were the same person. He (they) probably ran out of thread for the sewing machine in the basement, got tired of hearing the dog in the dirt hole barking, and decided to go upstairs to the computer and do a little reminising. Beware the knock at the door...it might be Chuck Yogurt.

 

[StopNTSing]

There is a similar blast from the past thread that also re-surfaced on here. Someone named Ghettosomething. Now you see this one by 400Ahole immediately followed by Bob Dylan.

I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of these idiots were the same person. He (they) probably ran out of thread for the sewing machine in the basement, got tired of hearing the dog in the dirt hole barking, and decided to go upstairs to the computer and do a little reminising. Beware the knock at the door...it might be Chuck Yogurt.

"Smoke.........ON!" :laugh:

 

[waveflyer]

I could say the same thing to you, sister. What makes you think you deserve my seat?

Hell, you can't even admit who you work for. No one takes you seriously.

What's your seniority?
I doubt many would lose their seat- unless they choose to leave it. Which many will. But the quick answer is the debatable question- not bobbi's flame: You got bought. Why would you think you hold the cards when you got bought? And you're getting a LOT of tangible benefits both immediately and in the future. Why wouldn't you be happy about it?
Now I think we're all going to get paid to be happy w/ the result. And the growth after is going to take care of everyone's fears. In 10 years I wonder how many of us we'll be ashamed we ever got so up in arms about this-
Or will we dig in a heels and let stubborn pride rule us(?)
Time will tell my friend- but I have a feeling (and rationally think) that it'll be all good.
No one's going to get screwed

 

[Lear70]

What's your seniority?
I doubt many would lose their seat- unless they choose to leave it. Which many will. But the quick answer is the debatable question- not bobbi's flame: You got bought. Why would you think you hold the cards when you got bought? And you're getting a LOT of tangible benefits both immediately and in the future. Why wouldn't you be happy about it?
Now I think we're all going to get paid to be happy w/ the result. And the growth after is going to take care of everyone's fears. In 10 years I wonder how many of us we'll be ashamed we ever got so up in arms about this-
Or will we dig in a heels and let stubborn pride rule us(?)
Time will tell my friend- but I have a feeling (and rationally think) that it'll be all good.
No one's going to get screwed

Great post!

See ya on the other side. :beer:

 

[DonVerita]

You got bought. Why would you think you hold the cards when you got bought? And you're getting a LOT of tangible benefits both immediately and in the future.

Wave...I don't think he was trying to argue, but rather to show that just because AAI got acquired/merged or whatever one wants to call it, that does not in any way diminish the AAI pilot's seniority rights under the AAI contract, as well as the law.

The benefit side is not one-sided. SWA gets a LOT of tangible items as well. Those have been listed in detail already, including the overall umbrella benefit of critical mass, so listing them all out again isn't necessary.

The combined airline has phenomenal growth potential and I'm sure GK has thought this out very well. We should be debating what the next aircraft
order will be...plus the one after that. :beer:

 

[redflyer65]

B-767

 

[waveflyer]

Don, I'd say AAI is currently cashing those benefits now and will cash much bigger ones- the swa pilots have to connect the dots and play six degrees of Kevin bacon to maybe see the bene's. Fact is, we all think and hope this'll be a good combination. But AAI guys are cashing the goodness now. See the difference? A bird in hand, my friend.

That said I believe the biggest way to ensure this thing is successful is to bring everyone into the fold and working together-
And I fear ALPA has no motivation to facilitate this smooth...

 

[WildcatFan]

If this deal were called off tomorrow, the reaction in ATL vs the WN crewbases says everything you need to know about who benefits.

 

[Ty Webb]

If this deal were called off tomorrow, the reaction in ATL vs the WN crewbases says everything you need to know about who benefits.

Maybe it would be more a measure of intelligence and financial acumen. I'm guessing Gary K would be the most upset, while nascent baboons like Baghdad Bob and 400Ahole would be cheering and flinging poop at each other.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me at all. You haven't shown me why I want to work with you, either, buddy.

I'm bidding in the middle of our Captain list, why would I want to trade that for $50K and the dubious privilege of working with people like Bob Dylan, 400Ahole and some of the others on here?

Some of us don't measure our self-worth by our W-2's. . . . And have more to show for it than the ones waving their W-2's.

 

[waveflyer]

Then focus on the fact you aren't still in strike preps, Ty. Don't confuse FI with reality- the company-wide culture here is a LOT more than W-2's. And a whole lot less stressful then any airline I've been a part of. Which is 6 of them.

But then again, you might not like it.
Look at that last statement:"personally, it doesn't matter to ME" "I'm bidding 50%. I don't base my life on W-2."
So you live in ATL and have your little niche. Good, I can see how YOU wouldn't want to mess that up- but it's selfish. What about everyone else on the list? What about my friend who's wife has literally gone crazy and has gone through a ringer of a divorce and just got full custody of both kids on an airline schedule and isn't allowed to leave the DC area. Do you have any FOs like that Ty? Where maybe the extra $50k is a lot more than toy money?
What about your guys that are just back on their feet from when AT furloughed them? Think they don't need the money??
I know that AT culture is all about life as a captain- what about making life great as an FO? No big deal to you What about the guys and gals who grew up on the left coast and would like to live closer to family or wave goodbye to the awful commute?

Or is it all about Ty in Ty's eyes?

That's one adjustment the selfish among you WILL HAVE to figure out- bc SWA really doesn't tolerate it.

 

[ASADFW7]

As for working with 'choice' co-workers, every company has them, it is just a fact of life.

 

[RLAblows]

Then focus on the fact you aren't still in strike preps, Ty. Don't confuse FI with reality- the company-wide culture here is a LOT more than W-2's. And a whole lot less stressful then any airline I've been a part of. Which is 6 of them.

But then again, you might not like it.
Look at that last statement:"personally, it doesn't matter to ME" "I'm bidding 50%. I don't base my life on W-2."
So you live in ATL and have your little niche. Good, I can see how YOU wouldn't want to mess that up- but it's selfish. What about everyone else on the list? What about my friend who's wife has literally gone crazy and has gone through a ringer of a divorce and just got full custody of both kids on an airline schedule and isn't allowed to leave the DC area. Do you have any FOs like that Ty? Where maybe the extra $50k is a lot more than toy money?
What about your guys that are just back on their feet from when AT furloughed them? Think they don't need the money??
I know that AT culture is all about life as a captain- what about making life great as an FO? No big deal to you What about the guys and gals who grew up on the left coast and would like to live closer to family or wave goodbye to the awful commute?

Or is it all about Ty in Ty's eyes?

That's one adjustment the selfish among you WILL HAVE to figure out- bc SWA really doesn't tolerate it.

If you keep putting all of this logic and positivity stuff into the thread, they'll kick you off FI.

 

[SWA/FO]

I could say the same thing to you, sister. What makes you think you deserve my seat?

:bawling: I'm not making 1960 money, even though I might be getting a $5000 a month raise at a MORE stable Company. :bawling: "its just not fair"

 

[Ty Webb]

Then focus on the fact you aren't still in strike preps, Ty. Don't confuse FI with reality- the company-wide culture here is a LOT more than W-2's. And a whole lot less stressful then any airline I've been a part of. Which is 6 of them.

But then again, you might not like it.
Look at that last statement:"personally, it doesn't matter to ME" "I'm bidding 50%. I don't base my life on W-2."
So you live in ATL and have your little niche. Good, I can see how YOU wouldn't want to mess that up- but it's selfish. What about everyone else on the list? What about my friend who's wife has literally gone crazy and has gone through a ringer of a divorce and just got full custody of both kids on an airline schedule and isn't allowed to leave the DC area. Do you have any FOs like that Ty? Where maybe the extra $50k is a lot more than toy money?
What about your guys that are just back on their feet from when AT furloughed them? Think they don't need the money??
I know that AT culture is all about life as a captain- what about making life great as an FO? No big deal to you What about the guys and gals who grew up on the left coast and would like to live closer to family or wave goodbye to the awful commute?

Or is it all about Ty in Ty's eyes?

That's one adjustment the selfish among you WILL HAVE to figure out- bc SWA really doesn't tolerate it.

Wave, you need to read things in context. Some a-hole is telling me how much they would rejoice if this thing tanked . . . some other d-bag is promising us we'll be furloughed or sold off, and you come down on me for responding for myself, and not the FO's of AAI? Spare me the sanctimonious b.s., please.

Anyone that knows me knows that I championed the cause of the FO's throughout our 6+ year contract negotiations, even though I was a CA for all of it.

My point, since you obviously missed it, is that I could care less if this goes through, too. Don't think that we're all so frigging agog at the thought of working with some of the attitudes I see here. Clearly, the People Dept aren't infallible. :laugh:

 

[texman]

Wave, you need to read things in context. Some a-hole is telling me how much they would rejoice if this thing tanked . . . some other d-bag is promising us we'll be furloughed or sold off, and you come down on me for responding for myself, and not the FO's of AAI? Spare me the sanctimonious b.s., please.

Anyone that knows me knows that I championed the cause of the FO's throughout our 6+ year contract negotiations, even though I was a CA for all of it.

My point, since you obviously missed it, is that I could care less if this goes through, too. Don't think that we're all so frigging agog at the thought of working with some of the attitudes I see here. Clearly, the People Dept aren't infallible. :laugh:

TY,

If you ever played sports you would know its just pride brother. No hard feelings. One Luv baby! LOL!

 

[GuppyWN]

My point, since you obviously missed it, is that I could care less if this goes through, too.

Ty! Because you and I are THIS close to being civil with each other I'll withhold what I'm wanting to say - but you're a pretty good mind reader!

Gup