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Max Powers

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I think that is better than forecast? Does this mean we get a contract better than forecast?
 

Colonel Savage

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.08 cents was the forecast.
 

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What will the bonuses be? Place your bets. The lowest paid major airline pilots will continue to drag down the profession. With no threat of strike, don't expect a contract. This isn't Jetblue, they'll never offer up pay raises for the sake of goodwill. Anyone else had enough...FO's?
 

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Hope is a lousy strategy.

What will the bonuses be? Place your bets. The lowest paid major airline pilots will continue to drag down the profession. With no threat of strike, don't expect a contract. This isn't Jetblue, they'll never offer up pay raises for the sake of goodwill. Anyone else had enough...FO's?

It is important the FO's don't quit one at a time. For the FO's that are moving on-perhaps a bit of coordination to walk at the same time?

The threat from 100 seat jets flown at regional rates could undercut any company goodwill anyway. The industry as a whole needs to prop these guys along and rally for their contract improvements to eliminate the pricing power that favors regional labor.

My two cents, over..


 

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"For the FO's that are moving on-perhaps a bit of coordination to walk at the same time?"

Moving on to where?
 

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Give me a break.....

Wal-Mart, like AirTran is a profitable company. Southwest, on the other hand is not.

Kharma,
So is RAH, and you'll be licking bootstraps when they go head to head with you in some location paying even less, but heh, their pilots will say, look how profitable we are!!!

Airtran's best strength is that their hub is against DAL and the rest of the competition is against SWA, so heh, yeah, you have the LOWEST LABOR COSTS so far, congratulations!
 

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Kharma,
So is RAH, and you'll be licking bootstraps when they go head to head with you in some location paying even less, but heh, their pilots will say, look how profitable we are!!!

Airtran's best strength is that their hub is against DAL and the rest of the competition is against SWA, so heh, yeah, you have the LOWEST LABOR COSTS so far, congratulations!

I hate to break it to you (as I'm sure you already know), but Southwest has reached its apogee, get ready for the trip down.
 

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Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) reported full year 2008 net income of $178 million, or $.24 per diluted share, compared to $645 million, or $.84 per diluted share, for full year 2007.

AirTran Holdings, Inc.,
(NYSE: AAI), the parent company of AirTran Airways, Inc., reported net
income of $52.7 million for the full year 2007

AirTran Holdings, Inc., (NYSE: AAI), the parent company of AirTran Airways, Inc., reported a net loss of $273.8 million for the full year 2008,


Your right SWA is on its way out....the way I see it we are $451 million ahead not counting this year or 2007....any chance you can walk my resume in?
 
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Reddog don't take these clowns serious at all. They're called Airtrash for a reason.
 

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Kharma,
So is RAH, and you'll be licking bootstraps when they go head to head with you in some location paying even less, but heh, their pilots will say, look how profitable we are!!!

Airtran's best strength is that their hub is against DAL and the rest of the competition is against SWA, so heh, yeah, you have the LOWEST LABOR COSTS so far, congratulations!
Actually according to management on the earnings conference call today, out of four areas of operation, ATL, MKE, BWI, and FL, ATL is the weakest (but still profitable). That is why management says we have optimized ATL (shrunk to about 200 departures a day). ATL now represents only 50% of our total network. They said MKE was solidly profitable and their goal is to add more business destinations on top of the leisure destinations we already serve out of there. He said passengers realize the "new" Midwest is not the "old" Midwest. He said the old Midwest had a good product with a good loyal passenger base.
 

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Your right SWA is on its way out....the way I see it we are $451 million ahead not counting this year or 2007....any chance you can walk my resume in?

I'm sure we will offer you guys "preferential interviews". Maybe some of our former ATA guys could help with the selection process.
 

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Hey I appriciate it....they turned me down in 2002..think they will hold it against me?
 

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Reddog don't take these clowns serious at all. They're called Airtrash for a reason.
With the new experience requirements going into effect soon, 400A-Hole will be stuck in his C-152 flight instructor job (along with InstructorDude) for quite some time. :cartman:

It must be Marginal VFR in his trailer park today, so he's sittin' on the ole sofa talking trash on his little 'puter as he drinks his Diet YooHoo...straight from the bottle even! What a mensch!
 

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Hey hey.....We are fighting very hard to bring our low as# sh#tty wages up with the rest of the industry. No one has a crystal ball....Airtran may succeed or fail but I think we are doing pretty darn good so far. As for the LUV....well guys come on...put yourselves in Frontier's shoes....career expectations, blah blah blah. I do believe in karma. If it does exist, the whole staple thing may come back to getchya. We at Airtran were going to give the pilots at Midwest (a failing airline) a fair integration. The fact that most Frontier guys were happy SWA didn't buy them shows how much luv there is. As far as im concerned....Airtran pilots = good karma, SWA = old school mean stapler....hmmmm. SWA will probably always be a better stronger airline, but at least be a bit humble and accept that the way you guys have treated other airlines...aka Morris and Frontier is no different than our management at Airtran using Lorenzo style management. It's not the 1980's....
 

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We at Airtran were going to give the pilots at Midwest (a failing airline) a fair integration.
If I remember correctly, Midwest fought off you guys with everything they had. And they would have been better off with you guys it turns out than they will be on Nov 3rd.

I won't engage on the F9/SWA thing. We didn't come to an agreement in time/SWA's offer wasn't as good and F9 is now part of RAH. water under the bridge for all involved.
 

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The point is that we were more than happy to be fair to a fellow pilot in a merger/takeover....regardless of what would have happened. I'm proud that this pilot group was sincere on a fair integration. Whenever a SWA/Airtran merger/takeover is mentioned, many SWA folks insist it is fair for me to interview for a job in that event. That is sad old school thinking...what comes around goes around.
 
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