AirTran pilots considering switching unions

[twepilot]

again, the best atty in the world can't defend contradictory language in a contract. Its that simple...Good wording and even a P.D. could successfully argue. With what we have now, no wonder we've lost so many arbitrations.

RV

 

[dh82dvr]

exactly. contract language should be clear, with no gray area for exploitation. Maybe ALPA would provide a little backbone because there doesn't seem to be one now.

 

[71driver]

Some of the decent work and pay rules that are in Airtran's Contract 2001 include:

1) 12 hour max scheduled duty day
2) 4 hr duty period guarantee
3) 2.5/1 duty rig
4) 3.5/1 trip rig
5) 3.5 hr pay credit earned for any unused reserve period
6) 10.5% B-fund
7) $152/hr 12th year top payscale for 117 seat aircraft

We got that 12 year captain rate because it was/is susidized by 12 year F/O rate of $79.00 an hour something that is imperative that we fix!
otherwise Airtran mngmt will continue to enjoy a divided Pilot group.

Captain rates don't need to come down but there percentage of increase won't/shouldn't be equalivant to the percentage increase the 4+ year F/O's should get.
A simple fix is use industry avg plus what ever percentage we want to start our negotiations from for BOTH Cpt and F/O rates we work together in our pay rates not throw F/O's under the bus to get higher Captain rates

 

[Citrusflyer]

exactly. contract language should be clear, with no gray area for exploitation. Maybe ALPA would provide a little backbone because there doesn't seem to be one now.

Remember, black and white always combine to make gray. No matter how you write it there is someone else who can find gray where there was none.

In the absence of that Mgt will just invent it. Nevertheless, it's always good to dream....

 

[Max Powers]

Remember, black and white always combine to make gray. No matter how you write it there is someone else who can find gray where there was none.

In the absence of that Mgt will just invent it. Nevertheless, it's always good to dream....

Its not a dream I worked at a former company that had ALPA and our last contract was easy to interpret. After every paragraph there were several examples, in some cases over 10, of actual scenarios that spelled out what the rule would mean in real world occurrences. Leaving no room for doubt.

Our contract was about 3 times thicker than the present NPA joke of a contract.

Trust me we need ALPA. When your union is in need of representation i.e. contract negotiations, they can pull other attorneys, who are less busy from other airlines to help. We need a bureaucracy which has a combine experience of tens of companies.

 

[MINIME]

ALPA in Atlanta...Who do you think they will care about the most??? DELTA 12,000 pilots money vs. 1700 Airtran's?
Should not matter, AirTran's gains are Delta's gains and vise versus. Delta pilots and Alpa should want AirTran pilots to get the best contract possible. It makes good business sense. I want my competitor to have the least amount of competitive edge as possible. One of those being cheap labor.


QUESTION: If you vote ALPA in right now with our contract out of date. WHAT contract will you fly under while waiting for the company to neg. with the new union? You WILL BE at the company's DISCRETION !!!
This only shows that you don't fully understand how the RLA and contracts work.

You folks that take all these petitions and we want things changed right now=The company is LAUGHING at all of you !!!!!!!!! And most of you do not realize how you are hurting the pilot group. If you would spend more time supporting and volunteering than Bit#hing we all would be better off.
Your company is already laughing. Four years without a new contract sure gave them lots of extra cash for bonuses. However, I agree apathy is rampant in the industry. People need to show more resolve and quit apologizing for management.

I love the STRIKE prepardness. Being on the street, let me tell you having 15-17 days off and over 60K a year is a blessing. THERE ARE NO JOBS ANYWHERE !! YOU WILL NOT get a JOB!!!!

You are correct, the economy is not doing so well. But sometimes no time is good time. Some will always find an excuse as to why they shouldn't stand up for their profession. In order to stop a war, sometimes you have to show huge and overpowering force. You'd be better served by joining your brothers in your struggle. This may be the very thing that could ultimately prevent you from having to decide whether to cross a picket line or not.

 

[Max Powers]

Scarlet.....get a clue......a strike is highly unlikely don't panic just yet. Think of it more as a negotiating tool to get leverage. But if you want the leverage you are seeking you must be fully prepared and willing to strike. So you must set limits and be brave and stand by them. In other words I am not willing to work for less than X.

 

[carl p]

Some guys will never grow a sac, no matter what happens.