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SkiFishFly said:
Next SAP 2 I guess I'll just have to send each request 3 or 4 times to make sure they get it...
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That's the way we used to do it and I still do. You have to inundate the fax machine and email server. They have to have more work than they can handle. I hope all of you have documented the lack of response with trip still in open time after SAP II closed and grieve it. (i know, i know, not much use but it does add a lot of paperwork for both parties and lets the company know you are aware of the fact that your request was not looked at.) You grieve for the time lost plus add a couple of hours for your time in filling out the grievance paperwork.

PS, i thought this thread was about not picking up any extra flying from open time. that would be a good idea, why pick up flying when you could at least get draft pay to do it?
 
newnan said:
PS, i thought this thread was about not picking up any extra flying from open time. that would be a good idea, why pick up flying when you could at least get draft pay to do it?
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Now, wouldn't that be a refreshing change.....no one picking up any open time in July........Imagine the panic in Orlando (especially between now and the weekend after the 4th)!!!!!
 
Citrusflyer said:
Now, wouldn't that be a refreshing change.....no one picking up any open time in July.
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Didn't someone mention a few days ago that you have Capts flying as FO? This is common sense stuff.

Good Luck Guys.
 
Yup, just got on FLICA and started looking for ALL those trips that were in there last night at 1900 (1 hour after Sap 2 closed).

Out of 6 trips on the 7th that were in there last night after Sap 2, 1 is still there (5 pre-assigned to build-up or reserves).

Out of 7 trips on the 13th that were in there last night after Sap 2, NONE are in there (7 pre-assigned to build-up or reserves).

The list goes on and on, but this deal with Sap absolutely MUST be fixed in the T.A., or I am going to vote No on THAT ONE ISSUE ALONE!!!

This is screwing my QOL, and it's NOT acceptable.
 
Build up lines

Lear....you know that the build up lines aren't even built until the conclusion of all SAP activities....so these trips haven't been "pre-assigned" to the build up lines. They have been used to "build" the build up lines as intended.

And as far as SAP 2 running slow when processed via e-mail/fax...this is nothing new. It used to run faster but it seems that as we have grown from 800 to 1500 pilots it has slown in a fairly linear manner. I always have my finger on the trigger at noon and it easily takes until 6 PM until I see any movement on my requests....at the best of times it was no better than about 3 or 4 PM.

In addition to the pilot growth issue, crew planning has lost some manpower because of the implementation of FLICA. Simple business economies...automate the job (somewhat) and lay off/redistribute the manpower.
 
Parethd70 said:
Lear....you know that the build up lines aren't even built until the conclusion of all SAP activities....so these trips haven't been "pre-assigned" to the build up lines. They have been used to "build" the build up lines as intended.
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Yes, IF Sap 2 worked as advertised. The problem is that it's not "intended" to work that way. Sap 2 is supposed to have PLENTY of opportunity built-in to have several rounds of swaps so you can improve your schedule.

Instead, they dragged their feet and did almost NOTHING the entire first day (reference multiple posts on here by people who put stuff in that wasn't looked at until the next day), didn't get to mine until 6 hours before cutoff, and I only had 2 chances to try to improve my schedule before Sap 2 ended.

Thus, junior pilots (build-up lineholders) get trips that I wanted and should have been able to grab in Sap 2. That's abrogation of seniority and a failure of the system to work as designed, due to Crew Planning not doing their job, either for staffing issues or just ignoring us in a "we'll get to you when we get to you" scenario.

And as far as SAP 2 running slow when processed via e-mail/fax...this is nothing new. It used to run faster but it seems that as we have grown from 800 to 1500 pilots it has slown in a fairly linear manner. I always have my finger on the trigger at noon and it easily takes until 6 PM until I see any movement on my requests....at the best of times it was no better than about 3 or 4 PM.
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Exactly my point. You pull the trigger at 1201. IF they were there starting to process them as they came in, it shouldn't take more than an hour to get through the first 100 requests (how many emails can they possibly get in the first 60 seconds of Sap 2?).

But they don't. They wait... until hours later. I've done the same thing you have the last few months (made sure I was off and submitted at 1201 - this was the first month I didn't do that, didn't seem to matter either way), and have never had one looked at before 4 or 5 p.m. That means you lose the WHOLE FIRST DAY OF SAP 2 and a chance to submit 1 or 2 more that might have a chance of getting approved.

In addition to the pilot growth issue, crew planning has lost some manpower because of the implementation of FLICA. Simple business economies...automate the job (somewhat) and lay off/redistribute the manpower.
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Evidently they shouldn't have done that, as we're not *completely* FLICA automated for Planning purposes (Sap 2).

Poor planning on their part is not an acceptable excuse for us to have to live with it.
 
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Kharma Police said:
My mistake, I thought you were some other d-bag from Midwest or Skyway.
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He is. He just likes to pretend that every one of his aliases isn't really him. :rolleyes:
 
the union pulled SAP2 via FLICA due to the denied low reserve’s thing. However they still deny you trips do to low reserves you jest don’t get told it. So instead of having multiple chances to improve your life you get one. If I need a certain day off I will list all the open trips that I want to swap with and then put at the bottom “or any open 3 (or 4) day trip. Then I go into FLIC on the 28th and swap any unwanted trips out, Flica is more liberal with open time swaps.
 
Parethd70 said:
Lear....you know that the build up lines aren't even built until the conclusion of all SAP activities....so these trips haven't been "pre-assigned" to the build up lines. They have been used to "build" the build up lines as intended.

And as far as SAP 2 running slow when processed via e-mail/fax...this is nothing new. blah blah blah It used to run faster but it seems that as we have grown from 800 to 1500 pilots it has slown in a fairly linear manner. Yeah, but the extra 700 pilots didn't just show up overnight, and the slowdown was only this month. I always have my finger on the trigger at noon and it easily takes until 6 PM until I see any movement on my requests....at the best of times it was no better than about 3 or 4 PM. Not really, last month there was movement from about 4 until 11 pm. This time there was a little movement at 6 and none after that untul the next day at SAP close.

In addition to the pilot growth issue, crew planning has lost some manpower because of the implementation of FLICA. Simple business economies...automate the job (somewhat) and lay off/redistribute the manpower.
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Ok Rico, put down the kool-aid and back away slowly.
 
Citrusflyer said:
Ok Rico, put down the kool-aid and back away slowly.
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ROFLMAO! ;)

Seriously Paret, didn't mean that as a slam, just aggravated at the lack of ability to make my schedule "family-friendly".

Incidentally, you guys are being AWFULLY hard on someone who just put a letter out he was asked to draft. The poor guy didn't know any better to cover his six no matter WHO'S back there...

He knows now; guarantee it.
 
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Lear70 said:
Incidentally, you guys are being AWFULLY hard on someone who just put a letter out he was asked to draft. The poor guy didn't know any better to cover his six no matter WHO'S back there...

He knows now; guarantee it.
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I've seen a couple of e-mails from Rico to a pilot here that would make you want to take back that statement.....
 
Sorry... do not buy the excuse that pilot numbers cause a compture program to run slowly...manual input and stupid restrictions cause it to slow down. People who do not care about the quality of life for a fellow employee cause it to slow down. I wonder if their work ethic would change if the pilot group or flight attendants dictated their quality of life. Almost all of the pilots that I have met are eager to help other employee groups with no expectations. Just a willing attitude to keep this airline on time and an enjoyable place to work. Certainly there are the 10 percent but few and far between. FLICA will work just fine if they would leave the reserves as reserves and not a suedo line holders to hide the time.
 

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