Airtran MEC voted no

[Bill Nelson]

Not sure what you mean. I'm not too happy that I didn't get a say in the matter, but I'm not sure what GK has to do with what happens next. As per the process agreement, this goes to Mediation through September 30th, then if no agreement it goes to Arbitration.

Negative. The Process Agreement was a blueprint for how the negotiations would work if the operations were to be integrated. It doesn't force an integration.

 

[becket]

Great! The SWA arrogance needs a good bitch slap.

 

[shagadelic]

GK said currently there is no plan B. But he also said that doesn't mean there couldn't be a Plan B. I'm hoping we see Plan B.

 

[Bill Nelson]

GK said currently there is no plan B. But he also said that doesn't mean there couldn't be a Plan B. I'm hoping we see Plan B.

I'd bet we see it soon.

 

[fam62c]

I hope this works out for the AT and SW pilots in mediation/arbitration, I mean, what could possibly go wrong? If this outcome is what the majority of AT pilots wanted that's fair but there's no way to know that for sure now. I still think there is hope for a "tweak" in mediation or a mutal, negotiated deal at some point during arbitration before a forced outcome is handed down.

I think this could be done by DOH with the CA retirement vacancies from both sides "fenced" for the respective native pilots so upward movement from attrition remains the same as before the deal came along. Add some other provisions to equalize some other perceived injustices on both sides and a deal is still possible. I still think the known of some sort of negotiated agreement (just not this one I guess) is better for both sides than a total crapshoot involving an arbitrated list and the joint CBA (won't those negotiations be fun) to follow. I haven't lost hope in the negotiations yet. After a brief period of anger and distrust this may make both sides focus harder and get more creative. Anything can get done of both sides really feel it's important to make it happen. Let's get back to the table and hopefully get this done, I know it CAN be done.

 

[madjack]

I think this could be done by DOH with the CA retirement vacancies from both sides "fenced" for the respective native pilots so upward movement from attrition remains the same as before the deal came along.


Well let's make it fair and you hold what seat your seniority bears...oh,let me answer, you can't have OUR Seats

 

[GuppyWN]

Wow.

Gup

 

[hairball1173]

Anyone got that number for truck driving school. I might need that.

 

[SWA717]

I think this could be done by DOH with the CA retirement vacancies from both sides "fenced" for the respective native pilots so upward movement from attrition remains the same as before the deal came along.


Well let's make it fair and you hold what seat your seniority bears...oh,let me answer, you can't have OUR Seats

This sounds fair to me.

 

[scoreboardII]

News flash

Lear, good luck buddy, our BOD has emphatically stated the negotiations are over, no room to mediate if YOUR side already agreed in principle.

Now, a last minute deal, maybe, but consider this: Gary has never improved upon a negotiated deal, the results after a group has rejected his first offer have always been less, with every employee group confronted. Think about that.

 

[WildcatFan]

Not many times you see guys with the guts to turn down a deal guaranteeing millions more in career earnings. Guaranteed, until now. They got balls, I'll give them that.

I guess now we will see who knows SWA managment better: ATNALPA or SWAPA.

I for one am relieved. I think the AT MEC counted their chickens before they were hatched. SWA came with the carrot, we will see if there is a stick. Our group is now unified and I suspect the company is indignant, though I can't really speak for them.

I do know this: SWAPA has never come close to putting GK in a box in ANY negotiation. Maybe AT has faith an arbitrator will be able to. Personally, I think its a hail mary with the risk of interception when they could have just took a knee and won the game.

 

[Fly-diver]

Thank you God for answering my prayers. For you good guys at AAI, I'm sorry. You didn't ask for this either, and you don't deserve what's gonna happen next.

 

[ATLplt]

As Gary would say -

It's ON!

So much for ever having a shot at a harmonious workplace.

Gup

Why is that? Be mad at the arbitrator's decision when the time comes, not the pilot groups. Now, a panel of neutrals look at the facts and make a decision. Neither side may like what comes out, but collectively we can blame the panel and move on with life.

 

[JumpJetter]

No we are gonna blame you

 

[Lear70]

Lear, good luck buddy, our BOD has emphatically stated the negotiations are over, no room to mediate if YOUR side already agreed in principle.

Now, a last minute deal, maybe, but consider this: Gary has never improved upon a negotiated deal, the results after a group has rejected his first offer have always been less, with every employee group confronted. Think about that.

Thanks, I appreciate it... good luck to us ALL. It's tough living in uncertain times, hopefully we all stay respectful of each other through the process. We are all but one vote individually in two airlines that will have to figure it out.

To your 2nd point, I remember your last negotiation wanted Scope at nearly all costs, and the deal was voted down very narrowly. When GK came back, there was less money on the table, but you got the Scope you wanted. Is that a fair synopsis?

I see this as a similar deal. We may get less money (717 rates may be less, but they're only here for 6-10 more years and guys will come off them and onto the 737 as they're retired), and we may not get your pay rates until we complete training (a delay of up to 2 years for some of our most junior pilots), but if there's better seniority for us out of it? It may be worth it.

Only time will tell...