Airtran MEC voted no

[NuGuy]

First of all I would say you guys have done a pretty good job of pissing everybody off here at SWA at least the pilots.
Second UNFAIR, DISRESPECTFUL, what are you a baby this is business I am not here to be your friend and sing you a lullaby when you go to bed at night. This is about MY career and the careers of my fellow SWA pilots.
I never said I was disappointed with this agreement, I never said I think you guys should vote yes or no. I think you guys should have had a chance to vote on it but that's it.
You don't have to believe me, you can call me childish, a bully an a$$ I don't care but I promise you an arbitrated list will never see the light of day because there are a lot of people here that will have no problem contributing our own money to tie this up in the legal system for years to come!

It's just business.

So, in other words, you fully agree with the position and actions of USAPA and the USAir East pilots?


Nu

 

[Music]

A real letter. Wow! Nice attempt at threating something with very little leverage. I'm starting to think that SL8 might start coming into play at some point.

Red,

Whether you want to believe it or not GK just can't arbitrarily discard our entire Scope section. MVV's letter served to reaffirm SWs commitment to honor our contract. So whether you want to deny that it means anything or not, that's up to you, but a court will see it differently. Not saying that it couldn't happen, but it won't happen arbitrarily.

 

[Lear70]

I'm starting to think that SL8 might start coming into play at some point.

I'm sure it will... especially the part that says SWAPA will comply with the Process Agreement that says SWAPA will expeditiously implement the arbitrated list.

(couldn't resist)...

 

[SWA2000]

Executive Blog - August 19, 2011
From your SWAPA President, Steve Chase

Fellow pilots-

The AirTran MEC voted 7-1 against sending this agreement out to their membership for a vote.***** Regardless of your thoughts on Side Letter 9, we believe it would have been best for the pilots whose careers are at stake to have a voice in the decision.***** Now that is not likely.

We have seen discussion and received questions regarding whether our next step is mediation or arbitration.***** We’ve stated that if Side Letter 9 was not voted-in, we’d be going to arbitration.***** That was based on a voting timeframe for both memberships that would have taken place during the time that mediation was scheduled.***** With the MEC voting no, rather than either pilot group, the Process Agreement allows for mediation to occur on already scheduled dates.***** We are going to follow the Process Agreement because that’s what we do; we honor our agreements.

While we question what more SWAPA or SWA could give, we are always willing to hear what ALPA has to offer us. We will honor the process but are understandably skeptical of further progress.***** AirTran decided that $2 million extra in career earnings per pilot and a job with the best airline in aviation wasn’t enough for them.***** They want your seniority too.***** That’s not something SWAPA is willing to give them.

We have scheduled meetings to meet with the Company next week, as well as meetings in DC with our legal team.***** AirTran gave Gary a clear message on what they think of Southwest.***** We look forward to sitting down with him next week and relaying your feelings to him face-to-face.

I hope this clears up any misconceptions or appearances of misinformation.***** SWAPA is prepared to fight for your seniority and for you to continue to have the outstanding career value and Culture you have come to expect and enjoy.

Fly Safe,



Steve Chase


This is going to get interesting! Hope this doesn't go down as one of the biggest aviation blunders in HISTORY! I am sure Gary and Herb are a little pissed.

 

[4day]

You SW guys are really scared of arbitration aren't you? " It will never get implemented etc". So let me get this straight. You can join the largest , at the time, airline in the world "DELTA" by arbitration but little old SW doesn't play like that. Its our way or the highway.Dont disagree with us because we are better than you. So SW is a unmergable Airline ( if thats a word). There really is no LUV there just greed and your culture is a "cult."I still have high hopes for this but am realizing that money brings out the ugly side of people and history has shown that it wont last.

 

[shootr]

If we had merged with Delta it would have been far different. AT is not Delta...sorry if that stings. It doesn't make me better than you. But my job and future at SWA is far better than your job and future at AT. That's all there is to it. Nothing personal.

 

[texman]

You SW guys are really scared of arbitration aren't you? " It will never get implemented etc". So let me get this straight. You can join the largest , at the time, airline in the world "DELTA" by arbitration but little old SW doesn't play like that. Its our way or the highway.Dont disagree with us because we are better than you. So SW is a unmergable Airline ( if thats a word). There really is no LUV there just greed and your culture is a "cult."I still have high hopes for this but am realizing that money brings out the ugly side of people and history has shown that it wont last.

This was a dumb azz post. My QOL is more important.

 

[4day]

If we had merged with Delta it would have been far different. AT is not Delta...sorry if that stings. It doesn't make me better than you. But my job and future at SWA is far better than your job and future at AT. That's all there is to it. Nothing personal.

Its not personal. It doesn't sting. I am really starting to not care so much anymore. Just wondering what will you do if you hate the arbitration ruling? Just trying to logically understand the thought process of some SW guys. Fight ? Accept? etc. I dont have a choice, do you?

 

[bluepost]

Step back from the crack pipe junior. My seniority at AirTran as an FO buys me 19 days off 3 weekends and 110k a year. Your SWAPA scraps offered to me were a pissy staple with a 25 percent wage. No thanks. I'll take the risks in arbitration. Where are you getting this 50 percent raise with dropped trips?

Not sure what your hire date is but a 2006 hire SW MDW guy made 160k last year with EVERY weekend off.....not counting profit sharing. He would be closing in on 170k this year on his 6th year pay schedule.....again not counting PSharing....and his $200 a month insurance.

So at SW you could have EVERY weekend off, drop a third of the above guys trips and still pull in your 110k....or at a drop of a hat you could make 180k a year if you needed to.

 

[canyonblue]

You can join the largest , at the time, airline in the world "DELTA" by arbitration but little old SW doesn't play like that. Its our way or the highway.Dont disagree with us because we are better than you. So SW is a unmergable Airline ( if thats a word).

You weren't invited to the party pal. You came along with an Uncle and at first we said, ok, enjoy yourself. Then you got drunk and threw up on my Uncle and trashed the house before you passed out in the bathtub. We just don't want to see you for awhile, if at all. So yeah, I guess you could say don't F'n piss us off.