AirTran MEC Chair message.

[madjack]

At least we are able to "discuss" the issues...

 

[dicko]

Might wanna curtail the use of that "H" word. Deception and duplicity are the words of the decade, so far.

"The road of good intentions has turned dry as a bone." -BS

Too many words to fit on the desk plaque in Dallas. But a good start nonetheless.

 

[PCL_128]

And which lawyers were those PCL?
Ones paid by an organization who had zero motivation to facilitate things in an honest manner?

Your ignorance is showing, as usual. We don't use in-house attorneys for seniority integrations. Outside counsel is hired and paid directly from our own pilots' merger fund.

 

[scoreboardII]

Nope, you're way off. Only 178 were scheduled to cross befote the cancelled classes.

OK, we are both wrong, but you're more wrong: 168 will make it across this year, there have been no cancelled classes, there are clases scheduled in Aug, Sep, and Dec. The plan is proceeding on schedule to get every 737 pilot across the fence by 2014, depending on what Delta votes, all but 37 717 jets worth of pilots by 2015.

 

[Britpilot]

OK, we are both wrong, but you're more wrong: 168 will make it across this year, there have been no cancelled classes, there are clases scheduled in Aug, Sep, and Dec. The plan is proceeding on schedule to get every 737 pilot across the fence by 2014, depending on what Delta votes, all but 37 717 jets worth of pilots by 2015.

So the letter the company sent us back in March regarding the cancelled classes for April and May was a lie then? All 737 pilots will not make it across by 2015. Mr Jordan already told us this in the employee update as a number of 737's are required for Intl Ops.

How do you figure that all the training wiil be complete by 2015? The footprint for the 717 training was to be 14 days now those guys will require the 60 days training for the 737. The numbers don't work as we have been told only 48 per month can be trained. There is no plan for our transition, none. If there was I would be happy to share it with you.
I may have been off by10 numbers but you aren't even close.

The plan for the Intl 737's that will remain on the AAI side was anywhere between 12 and 32 airfranes. No one can confirm the actual number.
The 717 airframe count is proposed to be 36 at the begining if 2015.

 

[27 driver]

OK, we are both wrong, but you're more wrong: 168 will make it across this year, there have been no cancelled classes, there are clases scheduled in Aug, Sep, and Dec. The plan is proceeding on schedule to get every 737 pilot across the fence by 2014, depending on what Delta votes, all but 37 717 jets worth of pilots by 2015.

scoreboardII
I think he is referring to the cancelled classes of 737 AAI guys moving over to the 717 to keep their captain seats. They bid that thinking that the 717's would be around until the leases started expiring. I wasn't there but apparently that is what we were told in the town hall meetings after downing SIA 1. All those transitions have been cancelled. This made the out of seniority crossing of the partition even worse. Lets see what they came up with in the recent meetings. Maybe a rebid of some sort......who knows?

 

[scoreboardII]

Ohhhhhh, my bad.

 

[27 driver]

Ohhhhhh, my bad.

You probably wouldn't have known as it is strictly an AAI thing. This is not a shot but is seems that many RSW pilots don't have a clue about our side of the partition. I probably wouldn't either if I was on the LUV side.

 

[Britpilot]

Exactly.
It is going to take all of 2012 to train 168 pilots. At the current rate of training 504 pilots will have been trained by Jan 2015 leaving 1156 to be trained.

 

[Lear70]

With 1,600 AirTran pilots remaining to transition with FULL initial training for EVERYONE now, and it taking 54+ days on AVERAGE to get through, including IOE, even if you ramp-up the sim schedule during the night and run 72 a month through training (max reported output of the training center), you're looking at 2 FULL years from when they crank BACK up after New Year's, and that's going 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, holidays not included.

The first class in 2013 isn't even scheduled to start until early March, then you have holiday months in Nov/Dec they don't seem to run classes during, plus the fact that the 717's don't start going away until JUNE of 2013, so just mathematically-speaking, you can't even START the last class until somewhere near April or May of 2015, and that's doing the 365-days-per-year training thing. Longer if you don't have people working holidays.

There's just not a way to get everyone through by the end of 2014 with the scheduled sub-lease movement of the 717 to Delta and the delay in the 737 transitions for International Ops requirements. Not trying to be a killjoy about it, just throwing some cold, hard, real-world numbers for people to chew on so they can plan accordingly.

At this point I'm just about getting our pilots some recompense for the SIA being nothing like we voted on, using the Scope violation as an incentive if necessary, and moving down the road. Can't change the past; can only soften the impact and move into the future...