AirTran MEC at SWAPA

[SWA/FO]

Zman, I hereby propose a permanent fence around atl. New swapa cba to include "wholly owned subsidiary". Growth metrics apply to both sides. That way GK can operate his "alter ego" airline out of atl connecting with swa, set up to run like domestic codeshare. You guys keep your pay and base, then everyone will be happy.

No, that wont work, they want MORE and MORE.

 

[Kharma Police]

No, that wont work, they want MORE and MORE.

Put a fence in ATL as tall as Mt. Everest if you want, you will only shoot yourself in the foot.

 

[Kharma Police]

You guys notice how the most vocal divisive posters on this subject "claim" to not work for Southwest?

 

[texman]

Dude, no alter egos and b scale at SWA. I think we all know the history on this issue.

 

[RNP.15]

I don't work for SWA. If you screw AAI good luck.

 

[27 driver]

Dude, no alter egos and b scale at SWA. I think we all know the history on this issue.

I have to agree. In the long run that won't be good for either group. I think the posturing on here is funny though.

 

[Lonestar]

Lonestar,

I thought you were one of the more reasonable people on this forum. The Transition Agreement is important to both Pilot Groups. I have no idea why my post pushed you over the edge. Who pissed in your corn flakes this morning?

AAI Pilots have a Contract. SWA Pilots have a contract. Until we (AAI Pilots) are part of your contract, our contract needs to be respected. I'm not sure why you chose to take umbrage with this, it would seem to be pretty self-evident. What do you think we would be working under in the interim? Your union understands it. SWA management understands it, you seem to be the one person that doesn't understand it.

Ty, I understand the theory of a transition agreement, and I certainly understand OUR need for one considering the number of sections SWA must get around from our contract to make this acquisition happen.

Nothing pushed me over the edge, but I do think its laughable that you think SWA and SWAPA need to negotiate a transition around points of your new contract. A contract you would never have were it not for this acquisition! In fact, were it not for this acquisition you would have nothing more than a crappy old contract and a big NO from the NMB had you asked for release from mediation.

 

[RNP.15]

Like I said screw AAI good luck. What comes around goes around.

 

[malibuVride]

I understand the importance of a Transition Agreement for both groups.
There's plenty to be concerned about with the team representing the AT pilots though. First, TO explains repeatedly that there is no such team; that the NC will do all the transition talks. Then LH announces there will be a team...and he's the boss. This is another reason to worry about the amount of time LH spends with SWAPA.

 

[orangebellyav8r]

RNP.15

Bring it on. Screw SWAPA boys and you got a fight

 

[waveflyer]

Zman, I hereby propose a permanent fence around atl. New swapa cba to include "wholly owned subsidiary". Growth metrics apply to both sides. That way GK can operate his "alter ego" airline out of atl connecting with swa, set up to run like domestic codeshare. You guys keep your pay and base, then everyone will be happy.

Dumbest post on FI in years. Are YOU THIS STUPID?

 

[S3sundowner]

deleted.

 

[RNP.15]

orangebellyav8r,

Don't work for AAI or SWA. Just outside looking in. Hope your merger doesn't turn out
like the US Airways mess! Got to go to PAJN now, good luck.

 

[roughneck]

I understand the importance of a Transition Agreement for both groups.
There's plenty to be concerned about with the team representing the AT pilots though. First, TO explains repeatedly that there is no such team; that the NC will do all the transition talks. Then LH announces there will be a team...and he's the boss. This is another reason to worry about the amount of time LH spends with SWAPA.

malibu,
Any truth to the rumor that LH tried to get a meeting with Gary Kelly this week and was told NO.

 

[scoreboardII]

Lh?....

 

[dicko]

Lh?....

Also known as AirTran ALPA Charlie Rangel

 

[27 driver]

Also known as AirTran ALPA Charlie Rangel

I don't care who you are that's funny right there.
:laugh:

 

[SWA/FO]

Any truth to the rumor that LH tried to get a meeting with Gary Kelly this week and was told NO

Yes, he said "I'm not talking before the trannyDraft 2011" I only deal with SWAPA boys/girls.

 

[roughneck]

Yes, he said "I'm not talking before the trannyDraft 2011" I only deal with SWAPA boys/girls.

I doesn't sound like that will change after the "draft." I talked with a guy in the know on my last trip and he told me that AirTran will have to deal with the Sub. LLC management that Gary puts in place to run AirTran. I guess Gary doesn't want to deal with Alpa and apparently will only deal directly with the AirTran guys if he ever combines the operations. He won't have to deal with Alpa then because the AirTran pilots will be represented by Swapa.

 

[27 driver]

I doesn't sound like that will change after the "draft." I talked with a guy in the know on my last trip and he told me that AirTran will have to deal with the Sub. LLC management that Gary puts in place to run AirTran. I guess Gary doesn't want to deal with Alpa and apparently will only deal directly with the AirTran guys if he ever combines the operations. He won't have to deal with Alpa then because the AirTran pilots will be represented by Swapa.

Until we are integrated ALPA is our bargaining agent and our current TA will govern our ops as Airtran or whatever we will be called during the process. Based on how he treats his current employees I really don't think he or his interim management will do anything other than follow our contract IMHO. I don't see as there is much to deal with. GK simply has to wait for SWAPA and ALPA to hash out an integration plan. Once that is done I am guessing that it is only a few computer keystrokes and a trip to Texas to put us on SWAPA's contract.