Airtran may get some of Delta's gates in ATL

[General Lee]

I disagree. Southwest will BUY someone!

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You're probably right. And, according to Lowecur, Southwest and Airtran (along with Jetblue) are entitled to slots and gates at major airports. Even if they merge themselves? They will have to divest in MDW stuff themselves! No free handouts to airlines who want to merge, unless Lowecur thinks othwerwise...

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[airlinepilot]

For those of you that think Frontier is a potential SWA pickup....forget it. Word at HQ last week is that Frontier only has cash on hand for another 4 to 5 months..... and " why buy something today you can get in a firesale in the short term" Everyone in DAL is saying airtran is a fit...for a purchase not merger

 

[Lear70]

Ouch...

I've been watching Frontier for a while and wondering how long they could keep bleeding cash, but that's not good news for anyone.

 

[slaquer5]

Everyone in DAL is saying airtran is a fit...for a purchase not merger

Only the first part is correct. Kelly could care less how the two pilot groups get merged. He has said that is a flt. ops. issue.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

Only the first part is correct. Kelly could care less how the two pilot groups get merged. He has said that is a flt. ops. issue.

Pardon my ignorance here. If it is a purchase vs. a merger, are you looking at a staple of lists?

 

[STL717]

Pardon my ignorance here. If it is a purchase vs. a merger, are you looking at a staple of lists?

Stapling is no longer legal.

see here http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=108654

 

[MINIME]

Only the first part is correct. Kelly could care less how the two pilot groups get merged. He has said that is a flt. ops. issue.

Bingo!!! Executives are in the business and obligation of making their companies profitable, end of story. Some would like appease employees and some even try. But in the end, they're not there to make junior happy. They are there to try and make their companies viable for the future and for their shareholders. I'll argue that LUV has tried to do both, but changing times require adoptive thinking.

 

[PCL_128]

There will be no AirTran/SWA merger (or purchase, for those of you who somehow think that that makes a difference ).

 

[Eagle757shark]

Everyone in DAL is saying airtran is a fit...for a purchase not merger

You are assuming AirTran would accept an offer from Southwest. AirTran attempted to buy Midwest, they could not because the price was not right and Midwest wanted nothing to do with AirTran. For now BF says AirTran will go it alone. Southwest may attempt to buy AirTran, but AirTran will not come cheap. Now a merger or stock exchange, who knows. But AirTran is not in financial trouble (AirTran is no ATA, or Midwest)! Everyone is assuming Southwest is going to walk in and say "We are buying AirTran" and AirTran is going to just say "ok" and Southwest is going to have their way with AirTran assets. I don't think so.

 

[instructordude]

Stapling is no longer legal.

see here http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=108654

And it shouldn't be legal. What really needs to be done is a National Line of Seniority.

 

[twepilot]

Fornaro stated at one time recently that there would be no fight if it came to a buy out..

RV

 

[Eagle757shark]

Fornaro stated at one time recently that there would be no fight if it came to a buy out..

RV

IF IT IS AT THE RIGHT PRICE!

 

[BSkin]

Key word there is MERGE. I doubt SWA will merge, they will buy. As an FL 717 guy, I hope it's Alaska Airlines or Frontier.

On another note, anybody else heard the rumor that AAI has been looking into us? Hope that one's not true, we saw what they did to the TWA guys!

My apologies, meant American.

 

[CitationLover]

You are assuming AirTran would accept an offer from Southwest. AirTran attempted to buy Midwest, they could not because the price was not right and Midwest wanted nothing to do with AirTran. For now BF says AirTran will go it alone. Southwest may attempt to buy AirTran, but AirTran will not come cheap. Now a merger or stock exchange, who knows. But AirTran is not in financial trouble (AirTran is no ATA, or Midwest)! Everyone is assuming Southwest is going to walk in and say "We are buying AirTran" and AirTran is going to just say "ok" and Southwest is going to have their way with AirTran assets. I don't think so.

Midwest could say no because of WISCONSIN STATE LAW which provided a poison pill provision delaying a hostile takeover. Nothing stopped Air Tran from buying stock at $8/share when it was there. Is Air Tran incorporated in Wisconsin?

Make no mistake Fornaro's job is to maximize his shareholders value and if that means selling out to SWA, he will. His CEO values are right there with Timmay's.

 

[Eagle757shark]

Midwest could say no because of WISCONSIN STATE LAW which provided a poison pill provision delaying a hostile takeover. Nothing stopped Air Tran from buying stock at $8/share when it was there. Is Air Tran incorporated in Wisconsin?

Make no mistake Fornaro's job is to maximize his shareholders value and if that means selling out to SWA, he will. His CEO values are right there with Timmay's.

CitationLover, Go berry yourself in the sand. It is you who constantly goes on this board and tries to pick fights with people on this board. You and your damn airline are irrelevant. I don't give a rats behind about Midwest. I have not said anything bad about your airline. I've just posted articles pertaining to their merger and the possibility of affecting AirTran. Please don't respond back because I don't want to hear it. I, like everyone else on here are sick of you and your picking at what everyone has to say. You have this fetish and a sick one I must say! Go fly your 717 to whereever your airline flies. GET OVER IT! If you want to work for AirTran, go apply like everyone else, or perhaps you were rejected by AirTran I don't know and don't care!

 

[CitationLover]

CitationLover, Go berry yourself in the sand. It is you who constantly goes on this board and tries to pick fights with people on this board. You and your damn airline are irrelevant. I don't give a rats behind about Midwest. I have not said anything bad about your airline. I've just posted articles pertaining to their merger. Please don't respond back because I don't want to hear it. I, like everyone else on here are sick of you and your picking at what everyone has to say. You have this fetish and a sick one I must say! Go fly your 717 to whereever your airline flies. GET OVER IT!

then get your facts straight regarding the takeover when you spout your mouth off when trying to compare it to an unwanted SWA takeover of AAI.

if your panties are in a wad over what someone says on a public forum then perhaps some counseling is in order. i hope your medical plan covers it.

http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/state/GA/Atlanta.html



and tell me which berry to play with in the sand? black, blue, straw, or any other berry?

 

[Eagle757shark]

then get your facts straight regarding the takeover when you spout your mouth off when trying to compare it to an unwanted SWA takeover of AAI.

if your panties are in a wad over what someone says on a public forum then perhaps some counseling is in order. i hope your medical plan covers it.

http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/state/GA/Atlanta.html

What facts are you speaking of. This is a forum and I don't answer to you or anyone else. I said what I said because if Southwest wants to buy AirTran, AirTran has to be willing to be bought and there is a price. Just like there was a price that Midwest sold out to. That is pure fact! You are pathetic!

 

[CitationLover]

What facts are you speaking of. This is a forum and I don't answer to you or anyone else. I said what I said because if Southwest wants to buy AirTran, AirTran has to be willing to be bought and there is a price. Just like there was a price that Midwest sold out to. That is pure fact! You are pathetic!

again, AAI could have bought shares at $8/share but chose not to because of the poison pill. heck they could have bought them back at $3.50/share if they wanted to.

SWA can start buying up shares right now at $8.59 and unless there are no poison pill provisions via their own internal corporate policies or Nevada corporate law (as I believe Air Tran is incorporated in Nevada), Air Tran can do nothing about it but whine.

 

[lowecur]

You're probably right. And, according to Lowecur, Southwest and Airtran (along with Jetblue) are entitled to slots and gates at major airports. Even if they merge themselves? They will have to divest in MDW stuff themselves! No free handouts to airlines who want to merge, unless Lowecur thinks othwerwise...

Bye Bye--General Lee

That's funny, I don't recall bringing WN into the mix. Sure they are an Lcc, but hardly in need of entre into all those major facilities I spoke about.

If WN buys and gets approval for FL, and F9 folds their cards, then gates will open up at lots of key airports. Who would fill those gates? Certainly the remaining Lcc's would fill up a percentage of some, but the "wild card" would be US Air. Dougie would be licking his chops if that happened, and you may just see a major redeployment of their fleet. He knows that US Air would be a minor player on the international stage, and US's future would be joined at the hip of the domestic market.

If I were the DOJ, I would not allow a buyout of FL by WN. Both carriers are financially sound, and the elimination of a major player in the Lcc forum would only benefit the new Big (4). The new big (4) does include WN.

In the coming hearings before Congress, the legacy's will present their case based upon survival in the international marketplace and their inability to continue business as usual with $100bbl oil. I have a feeling WN is not going to get much sympathy with their history of profits the last 30yrs. There success is their own worst enemy, even though most of their profits were from selling heating oil lately.:laugh: They should've bought the 175, and created an express payroll for new pilot's like B6. If they did that 2 to 3 yrs ago instead of hiring all those pilots to fly new 737's, then they'd have the money to give the 737 pilot's a raise.

imp: ​

 

[maxblast72]

Fornaro stated at one time recently that there would be no fight if it came to a buy out..

RV

I would imagine SW would have to pay a 20-30% premium over the current trading price. That would come out to a little over 1 Billion to complete the transaction I believe. I don't know if that would qualify for the SW philosophy of buying on the cheap.

I am not selling my 200 shares purchased in the employee stock purchase program until I break even at $12 bucks a share. I knew I should have listened to those guys that said never to buy airline stock.

 

[PCL_128]

CL, there isn't a chance in hell that Kelly is dumb enough to try a hostile takeover. The repercussions with trying to get the acquired employees to assimilate after such a deal would be too much for SWA to accept. If it's not a consensual deal, then SWA won't do it. There will be no SWA/AAI merger.

 

[CitationLover]

CL, there isn't a chance in hell that Kelly is dumb enough to try a hostile takeover. The repercussions with trying to get the acquired employees to assimilate after such a deal would be too much for SWA to accept. If it's not a consensual deal, then SWA won't do it. There will be no SWA/AAI merger.

I am not suggesting he will, just saying that if they want to they can. besides, who says it has to be hostile.

If airlines acted as recklessly as the many theories put out here, we would be reregulated quickly.

 

[CitationLover]

I would imagine SW would have to pay a 20-30% premium over the current trading price. That would come out to a little over 1 Billion to complete the transaction I believe. I don't know if that would qualify for the SW philosophy of buying on the cheap.

I am not selling my 200 shares purchased in the employee stock purchase program until I break even at $12 bucks a share. I knew I should have listened to those guys that said never to buy airline stock.

people holding 1.38M shares disagreed with you today and sold.

 

[Kharma Police]

then get your facts straight regarding the takeover when you spout your mouth off when trying to compare it to an unwanted SWA takeover of AAI.

if your panties are in a wad over what someone says on a public forum then perhaps some counseling is in order. i hope your medical plan covers it.

http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/state/GA/Atlanta.html



and tell me which berry to play with in the sand? black, blue, straw, or any other berry?

Speaking of counseling, since you brought it up. We have AIR INC in Atlanta in case you need to brush up on your interview skills.

http://www.jet-jobs.com/

 

[CitationLover]

Speaking of counseling, since you brought it up. We have AIR INC in Atlanta in case you need to brush up on your interview skills.

http://www.jet-jobs.com/

no thanks. no need to pay to get a job, i can do fine on my own. you can be a kit darby whore if you want to.

 

[Kharma Police]

no thanks. no need to pay to get a job, i can do fine on my own. you can be a kit darby whore if you want to.

Gulfstream will probably take you back, maybe you can get some PIC time then?

 

[CitationLover]

Gulfstream will probably take you back, maybe you can get some PIC time then?

never been at gulfstream, perhaps you are talking about PCL_128.

 

[PCL_128]

never been at gulfstream, perhaps you are talking about PCL_128.

No, I actually have PIC time. Maybe you should have taken care of that before taking a job working for Timmaaaaaayyyyy.

 

[CitationLover]

No, I actually have PIC time. Maybe you should have taken care of that before taking a job working for Timmaaaaaayyyyy.

I do have PIC time, just not THE pic AAI is looking for, but if you want to get off on thinking I don't then feel free. All I know is I fly the same airplane you do for slightly less than you do (for one year only). I am hoping the NPA can get its act together and give me a target to increase MY 2nd year pay (the current rate is a pay cut).

All that PIC time won't help Kharma smell better when Lake Lanier runs dry this summer.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Even after we get our raise, it isn't going to help you anyways.