Airtran may get some of Delta's gates in ATL

[Lear70]

Quote from Lear 70
"No big threat to AirTran; not enough of a footprint to put a dent in their operation. But I'd bet on them establishing a presence."

I hope you are right, I think that any SWA presence in the ATL would have a very negative impact on FL. Somehow with SWA, a small footprint quickly turns into a boot in your axx, to quote the great Toby Keith.

Will it impact airTran? To a certain extent, similar to how airTran is affecting Midwest in MKE.

There's only so much you can do with a few gates in someone's hub, kind of like having airTran in MEM or MSP. We do well, but the main carrier there is doing just fine.

I agree, however, that you'd never want to underestimate the elephant in the room... lest he take said boot and decide to squish you.

 

[Lear70]

Just keep two different flags, Airtran and Southwest.

To what end?

The infrastructure required to operate two airlines under one holding company would eventually cause a problem.

Not to mention that, once owned by Southwest, the airTran employees would want parity in compensation and QOL, which would be a hefty increase in non-fuel CASM.

I don't think Southwest is interested much in the holding company game... I could be wrong though, been there before.

 

[CitationLover]

Will it impact airTran? To a certain extent, similar to how airTran is affecting Midwest in MKE.

no thank you our problems are internal not from air tran. keep dumpster diving for gates and slots. you're the chick who gets "facials" in the movies, i guess someone has to do it.

 

[lowecur]

So Anderson making deals with Ohio Congressmen and Senators doesn't mean anything? I can bring up the article with Anderson stating CVG will stick around. Will that be forever? Maybe not. But, Anderson knows he will have to appease many people here and there, and the people of CVG would rather have a legacy with connections to the world rather than another LCC. How is Skybus doing in CHM? Why hasn't Southwest expanded in PIT? There is plenty of room....


Bye Bye--General Lee

Gee, you're such a benevolent philanthropist. Who cares about PIT, CVG or any other midsized bone that DL or the other carriers would throw to the Lcc's to placate the Feds. They want 15-20 gates at ORD, LGA, DCA, ATL, LAX, SFO, or DIA. The key to making the B6's, F9's, NZ's, VX's, and FL's of the world viable in a domestic market dominated by overpriced legacy carriers is to give them 3-6 gates each at those major airports. Think it's going to happen? :laugh: :laugh:

imp:​

 

[Lear70]

no thank you our problems are internal not from air tran. keep dumpster diving for gates and slots. you're the chick who gets "facials" in the movies, i guess someone has to do it.

Easy, junior... it wasn't an attack on Midwest.

If you'd think before posting, you'd realize I was making the point that you're still doing just fine, even with a LCC making ins on your turf, just like airTran would be just fine if SWA got a few gates in ATL.

Have a beer and relax a bit...

 

[General Lee]

Gee, you're such a benevolent philanthropist. Who cares about PIT, CVG or any other midsized bone that DL or the other carriers would throw to the Lcc's to placate the Feds. They want 15-20 gates at ORD, LGA, DCA, ATL, LAX, SFO, or DIA. The key to making the B6's, F9's, NZ's, VX's, and FL's of the world viable in a domestic market dominated by overpriced legacy carriers is to give them 3-6 gates each at those major airports. Think it's going to happen? :laugh: :laugh:

imp:​

No, no I don't. There will be some crying, but remember Southwest wants to merge or buy someone too, so they will also have to be at the mercy of Oberstar and company. USAir didn't have to give up anything at ORD or DCA when they merged with AWA, so I think that will be the first thing said at the hearings. If there are overlapping routes, then maybe. If the routes go to respective current hubs, then I doubt we will lose frequency.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SkiFishFly]

I hope...

Our management is smart enough to make certain they get whatever gates might become available in Atlanta. It would be very foolish to let SWA in the door.
Looking around ATL these days it seems to me that there are gates which Delta barely uses. That has to cost some money - hanging on to a gate to use it maybe twice a day. I'm guessing they figure it is money well spent to keep us from expanding and/or keep someone else out of ATL.

 

[CitationLover]

Easy, junior... it wasn't an attack on Midwest.

If you'd think before posting, you'd realize I was making the point that you're still doing just fine, even with a LCC making ins on your turf, just like airTran would be just fine if SWA got a few gates in ATL.

Have a beer and relax a bit...

it wasn't taken as an attack on midwest, just stating air tran likes acting like a crow and picking at the dead. perhaps the call sign should be changed to "Scraps".

 

[Thunderchief]

A Crow is one of the smartest birds on the planet...

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Hey citation why do always have act like a TOOL?

 

[Lear70]

I'm thinking he couldn't get an airTran interview (or bombed it), and settled for Midwest.

Not that there's anything wrong with Midwest, but as anti-airTran as the guy is, there's gotta be something more there...

 

[Ty Webb]

it wasn't taken as an attack on midwest, just stating air tran likes acting like a crow and picking at the dead. perhaps the call sign should be changed to "Scraps".

Pretty funny drivel, coming from a guy who's flying the same equipment for the same (or less) money, just a few degrees of latitude north.

Maybe you should direct your anger where it belongs- at your management, instead of your fellow airline pilots.

 

[Kharma Police]

I'm thinking he couldn't get an airTran interview (or bombed it), and settled for Midwest.

Not that there's anything wrong with Midwest, but as anti-airTran as the guy is, there's gotta be something more there...

He didn't meet the qualifications, no PIC time. I guess he is trying to make up for his lack of experience by barking loudly at AirTran.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I'm thinking he couldn't get an airTran interview (or bombed it), and settled for Midwest.

Not that there's anything wrong with Midwest, but as anti-airTran as the guy is, there's gotta be something more there...

Lear I think your right.

Hows the fight going?

 

[Kharma Police]

You can mention the bankruptcy and I'll talk about the Everglades....both dark times, both should be off the table.....

The "Delta Spazz"

You can talk all you want about the Everglades, Forklift Joe or ValuJet, I don't care. You seem to have a problem with the fact that your company couldn't pay its bills and it's quite amusing watching you wig out or have a "sapzz attack" when someone brings its up.

Your opinion, which concourse you think we will get all of A or B?