Airtran in CASS charging 25.00

[-9Capt]

Like it or not, AirTran charges jumpseaters, it's that simple. The first offline guy is free, the rest are supposed to pay.

Pre 9/11 we had THE most open js policy, bar none. We would take ANYONE with an ID badge and a commercial pilots license. Then management of this airline came up with a way to make money off of commuters.


The fact of the matter is, we charge for what we used to consider, and every other airline still considers, "jumpseating".

Call it a walk up pass if it makes you feel better, but it is what it is.

Side-Stick- You are required to show a pilots license and medical as a condition of purchasing this BS walk up pass. As such you'd better be prepared to introduce yourself to the capt. and present your ID, medical and certificate, as per our FOM. I can guarantee you, failure to do so will result in you being removed off any flight I'm operating.

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Like it or not, AirTran charges jumpseaters, it's that simple. The first offline guy is free, the rest are supposed to pay.

I can guarantee you, failure to do so will result in you being removed off any flight I'm operating.

My, my... aren't we full of ourself. I'll keep this in mind if I ever get 2 Airtranny jumpseaters traveling together. Thanks for the heads up and way to start jumpseat wars. Silly me thought we were all colleagues extending a professional courtesy.

BBB

 

[side stick-n]

This is why I didn't want to even get into this crap. You want to call the policy BS but still act like you're giving something to the jumpseater/pass rider/ what ever you want to call it.

How about this Captain. IF I ever need to JS on Da Tranny and the jumpseat is taken, I'll find another way cause there's no way in hell I'm asking for a ride that I've got to pay a single dime for. Nor will I ever expect an OAL non-rev, that pays any fee, to do the same on any flight I'm operating. I may be the Captain but if I have nothing to do with giving it away for free, you don't owe me a thing. In fact, if you pay anything for the flight, you are now a customer and paying part of my salary. Therefore, I owe you a "Thank You".

Classic case of Captainitis.

 

[gt1900]

Side stickn.. Get over it.. It is what it is.. If you don't like it, don't ride on AAI.. But I have to agree with Ty (something I don't do).. The more guys like you who biatch about it, the more the AAI guys are gonna say "fugg you".. Guys like Dornierpilot are the ones who are gonna help get the policy changed.... Guys who appreciate the ride but know the policy sucks.. The policy sucks, but for a long, long time, it was far better than UAL, DAL, AAR, and all the others who only allowed one jumpseater.. At least at AAI you had the chance to decide if you wanted to pay $25 to get a ride vs. $50 for a sleazy hotel room.... Now, AAI's policy is behind the others and it needs to change.. Just like the others have.. Quit being part of the problem and try helping..

 

[-9Capt]

My, my... aren't we full of ourself. I'll keep this in mind if I ever get 2 Airtranny jumpseaters traveling together. Thanks for the heads up and way to start jumpseat wars. Silly me thought we were all colleagues extending a professional courtesy.

BBB

Didn't think I came off that way, if you knew me, you'd know I'm not "full of myself"

Either way, you're still jumpseating, which was the point of my post to begin with. I doubt you, or anyone else on this board, would consider jumpseating without stopping by the cockpit before taking your seat.

 

[pipe]

Like it or not, AirTran charges jumpseaters, it's that simple. The first offline guy is free, the rest are supposed to pay.

Pre 9/11 we had THE most open js policy, bar none. We would take ANYONE with an ID badge and a commercial pilots license. Then management of this airline came up with a way to make money off of commuters.


The fact of the matter is, we charge for what we used to consider, and every other airline still considers, "jumpseating".

Call it a walk up pass if it makes you feel better, but it is what it is.

Side-Stick- You are required to show a pilots license and medical as a condition of purchasing this BS walk up pass. As such you'd better be prepared to introduce yourself to the capt. and present your ID, medical and certificate, as per our FOM. I can guarantee you, failure to do so will result in you being removed off any flight I'm operating.

My G*D! You're the Captain of a DC-9, not the Concorde. You really need to get over yourself. What would you prefer, the money or the ego stroke? I don't think too many people are interested in giving you both.

PIPE

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

I have jumped on Da 'Tranny several times and have not had to pay the 25 bones yet, including a few times w/ multiple jumpseateaters. Seems to me if your nice to the gate agents they will bend over backwards to get on without paying the 25. Da 'Tranny got me home this past Saturday w/ 2 jumpseaters and I didn't pay a dime, so take that for whats it worth.

 

[-9Capt]

How about this Captain. IF I ever need to JS on Da Tranny and the jumpseat is taken, I'll find another way cause there's no way in hell I'm asking for a ride that I've got to pay a single dime for.

That is certainly your choice.

Our company policy says you will show credentials or you will not ride, and personally I think this policy sucks, but they didn't ask my opinion when they instituted it.

Try jumpseating on a Legacy carrier without stopping by the cockpit and see where you end up.

Captainitis? GMAFB. If you have balls enough to walk past the cockpit on your way to your seat, I'll have the balls to toss your ass off. I'd expect any captain, at any airline, to do the same.

I could care less if you ever ride on us as a jumpseater or otherwise.

 

[Windsor]

All I can say is thanks to all AT guys I catch a ride with to and from work. I've been charged a few times for the JS (all in ATL) and every time the Captains have offered to take money out of their wallets to pay me back. Every pilot I've talked to hates the rule and cant wait until its removed.
If your going to complain about $25, then find another ride and quit bashing AT pilots for a rule that is not their fault.

 

[Ty Webb]

Tell Delta Ty sent ya!

My G*D! You're the Captain of a DC-9, not the Concorde. You really need to get over yourself. What would you prefer, the money or the ego stroke? I don't think too many people are interested in giving you both.

PIPE

I can't believe you'd pass on a chance to come up front and tell us how you feel, Pipe . . . you wouldn't just pay your money and just go sulk in the back and cry about it to the pax and F/A's . . . . right?

Certainly, you'd be a real man, and take the opportunity to introduce yourself and speak your piece, instead of ducking in the back, and then later whining about it on an anonymous message board, r i i i ggghhhttttt????? . . .

And I'm with -9Capt and just about every other AirTran Captain I know here when I say if I see you in the back, and you didn't come up front first . . . . you will definitely be getting your lousy $25 back and your happy ass can ride on Delta. Tell 'em Ty sent ya. . . . and have yourself a nice day . . . . somewhere else.


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[crosscut]

Pipe,

How about introducing yourself to the captain for the sake of having the fee waived in the first place? Captains have some influence in that regard and the few times I have had more than one jumpseater, no fee has yet applied. Internally, there may be some buttons to push... The least I can AND will do is make sure the fee was assessed appropriately and see if there is a way to reshuffle the non-revs to reverse the charge. If the time doesn't permit the aforementioned and the charge was in any way inaccurate, I would document it for any future corrective action. On the other hand, I couldn't be instrumental in any way if I didn't know there was a "$25-pass-rider" in the back. BTW, I thank everybody upon deplaning to include telling the jumpseater to please come back & see us again, fee or no fee.

P.S. Our FOM DOES require that EVERY OAL jumpseater (fee or no fee) presents his credentials to the captain for review.

 

[-9Capt]

I ask every offline jumpseater (whether he was the first or tenth) if he was charged anything, and I've managed to get them their money back on a few occasions.

It seems most gate agents outside ATL don't charge anyway.

 

[EWR_FO]

Ask the Continental employees and Northwest employees how much they have to pay to just nonrev on their own airline.

I don't pay anything.

 

[Contract]

Eagle Shark if I was ever meant to grow up I would have done it along time ago. Thanks for recognizing one of my many attributes. Dude, I fly planes for a living. Dont like working too much, and I surely enjoy parties. Now that $25 pass you got over there stinks, as we all know. Your taking Beer Money from fellow partiers. Thats just not RIGHT...NOT RIGHT! By the way guys, I would not have a problem telling you that to your face. I would hope that you would be humble enough to say " Johnny, I know your right, and here, take my $25 bucks so you can buy more beer and hang out at the clubs in Atlanta while Im working" I would take the money and say Thank You, the first Lap Dance will be didicated to you Captain Eagle Shark.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Just so I'm clear here: You Tranny CAs that want OAL $25 pass-riders to check in up front are talking about the $25 walk-up additional jumpseater passes, right?

If I've purchased a service charge pass on AirTran through my pass bureau procedures in advance, I'm just another non-rev'er right? Even if I'm traveling in uniform, I'm not technically traveling at the CAs discretion, so no need to check-in up-front in advance, right?

And just so I can avoid any lectures about "professional courtesy," my airline's FOM says pass-riders are just another passenger and cabin jumpseaters (assigned by the gate) are NOT to check-in with the CA prior to the flight (only flightdeck jumpseaters). I only point this out to illustrate that different airlines have different expectations of cabin jumpseaters -- if yours is different, fine, but that doesn't make it the only "right" way.

 

[Steeler Fan]

Just so I'm clear here: You Tranny CAs that want OAL $25 pass-riders to check in up front are talking about the $25 walk-up additional jumpseater passes, right?

If I've purchased a service charge pass on AirTran through my pass bureau procedures in advance, I'm just another non-rev'er right? Even if I'm traveling in uniform, I'm not technically traveling at the CAs discretion, so no need to check-in up-front in advance, right?

And just so I can avoid any lectures about "professional courtesy," my airline's FOM says pass-riders are just another passenger and cabin jumpseaters (assigned by the gate) are NOT to check-in with the CA prior to the flight (only flightdeck jumpseaters). I only point this out to illustrate that different airlines have different expectations of cabin jumpseaters -- if yours is different, fine, but that doesn't make it the only "right" way.

Our FOM is evidently different in this area than yours (and different than my former employer's), so in light of that, please comply with what our FOM says. If our agents don't tell you to introduce yourself to the Captain (and you're not addicted to Flightinfo), I'm assuming it's an oversight, and I'll inform you of what our policy is.

Here's the deal. I work for AirTran. They have an FOM. I get paid to comply with the FOM (and my contract). Why anyone would get all ticked off at me for trying to do my job is ridiculous!

Here's the deal (part 2). I commute and I have friends who commute. I want you to get where you need to go without paying a dime! If you introduce yourself, I'll try to put you in a fatter seat up in Business Class (even if I haven't been offered the same deal at Delta since I worked for US Airways, I'll still gladly do it for you).

If you know what our FOM says and know what the rules are in terms of our jumpseat policy, and choose to intentionally blow it off, don't be surprised if a Captain calls you out on it (plz Ty and -9 Capt, assume ignorance until proven otherwise). If the agent tells you to intro yourself to the Captain, and you don't, then don't whine if the Captain removes you from the flight.


If the policy really bothers you that much, then don't ride on us. Pipe, you're always welcome, and I respect you a ton, but as ridiculous as the policy is, it's there, I hate it, but it is what it is until (if) we can get it changed.

 

[crosscut]

Just so I'm clear here: You Tranny CAs that want OAL $25 pass-riders to check in up front are talking about the $25 walk-up additional jumpseater passes, right?

If I've purchased a service charge pass on AirTran through my pass bureau procedures in advance, I'm just another non-rev'er right? Even if I'm traveling in uniform, I'm not technically traveling at the CAs discretion, so no need to check-in up-front in advance, right?

That is correct. All forms of non-rev other than jumpseaters need not check in w/the capt. All jumpseaters, however, do... even you paid the $25 at the gate.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. .

This is exactly what has been going on. -9capt is the first Tranny guy I've heard actually admit they're charging for the jumpseat. (thanks for telling it strait). Most the others on the board try to claim it's a pass, but still insist you have to present your jumpseating creds. and check in with the captain. You can't have it both ways.

 

[-9Capt]

Just so I'm clear here: You Tranny CAs that want OAL $25 pass-riders to check in up front are talking about the $25 walk-up additional jumpseater passes, right?

If I've purchased a service charge pass on AirTran through my pass bureau procedures in advance, I'm just another non-rev'er right? Even if I'm traveling in uniform, I'm not technically traveling at the CAs discretion, so no need to check-in up-front in advance, right?.

Exactly my point.

The mere fact you are supposed to check in with the Capt makes what you are doing "jumpseating". And if you were charged $25 to board the aircraft, you were charged to jumpseat.

Remember this, AirTran company policy went from unlimited offline jumpseaters, to only as many as actual jumpseats installed, on the same day they instituted the $25 charge.

It's bull$h!t, we don't like it, but we didn't create it either, so I'm not going to apologize for it.

Steeler- No way I'd give a guy crap for an honest mistake, but if he knowingly blew off the cockpit visit 'cause he was pissed about forking over $25, that's another story.

 

[Steeler Fan]

Steeler- No way I'd give a guy crap for an honest mistake, but if he knowingly blew off the cockpit visit 'cause he was pissed about forking over $25, that's another story.

Exactly my point as well. -9 Capt is a pretty easy going guy, and VERY PRO-COMMUTER, so unless you go attitude on him, he's not going to go "Concorde Captain" on you.

He's not out to get you, he just has seen to many repeat offenders, and in that regard, when he says it's getting old and he's getting tired of seeing people intentionally blowing off our rules, I agree with him. If you have a problem with that, seek transportation elsewhere, otherwise, you are more than welcome anytime.

I can't wait until this thread topic comes up again sometime in the next 3 months.

Oh, almost forgot, GO STEELERS!!!!!