AirTran expected to report "record" profit

[wood pecker]

Exactly, I have already used up my patience hoping for the best. I am not going to waste my time trying to understand why the NPA shows picket signs they plan on using in the future w/ all of the support they have from the pilots only to reverse their statements 3 weeks later. They will not respond to questions on their website. The FO rep states how excited he is about the TA in writing despite all of the anger expressed by the members. Good luck AAI, for the new guys and me it is now easier to reapply than ever. Never thought I would quit this place after drinking all of their sweet bs in training. Oh well too much of good thing can make you sick. My hats off to the NPA, literally.

 

[CitationLover]

Hey Citation, don't blame the company for your TA.

uh it's not MY TA. our negotiations start next year.

 

[RadioClash]

I talked to a BOD guy the other day...Not sure I understand his logic or what in the he!! he is talking about:

#1. He told me that if we do not agree to this TA then JL will be extremely pi$$ed and transfer our 737's to Midwest

#2. He also told me that the company doesn't really want the E-190 due to the fact that if we were to get the E-190, displacements will occur, 717 pilot to 737, 737 pilot to E-190 etc. This triggers a training event or numerous training events which will increase the company's cost.

Okay now go back to #1 if JL were to transfer the 737's to Midwest would this not also trigger a training event therefore increasing the company's costs? He doesn't make sense.

If we are talking about training costs here why transfer aircraft to punish us at AirTran and increase our training costs but not get another aircraft type (I am not advocating the E-190) because it will increase training costs...

Another threat he made is that Mgmt would ask for release into self help, get it and impose the contract on us. Ummm okay, ASA has been negotiating for what 4 years now tried to get released and they were told to go back to the table, yet mgmt here would get released into self help? GMAFB!

 

[Lear70]

Desperate times call for desperate lies...

They know they're about to be forcibly removed from office after this POS dies in flames they and have little else to do but grasp at straws.

Who knows what the hell they're thinking, but they can think it back on the line...

 

[RadioClash]

In my previous post, what I was getting at was, if you tell a BOD guy the TA sucks then they use the threat of transferring aircraft to another company which obviously will increase training costs, and if you tell them that you don't want to fly an E-190, especially at those crappy rates, they say hey don't worry about it as it will increase training costs so mgmt won't do it.

It staggers the imagination.

 

[jonjuan]

Guess it's time to resurrect the "Should I leave AAI for CAL" thread. Better get in on the front of the hiring wave.

 

[CitationLover]

tell your BoD that the midwest deal is still probably a year away from happening (until they can get a majority on the board). till that time no transfer of 737's can happen.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Someone has been filling your head with a bunch of dog-doo. You must be on the 717 and listening to some old scab trying to convince you what a great thing you have here . . . . because it protects the interests of the old scabs to keep the junior guys (the majority) working for crap wages; it leaves more in the pot for them. Haven't you figured that out yet?

Do you realize that pilot CASM at AirTran is a very small part of our total CASM? Any raise we leave on the table will be promptly cashed out in management bonuses.

If this airline is around in 30 years, it will be due to the efforts of the pilot group, not the expense of it.

Something else to keep in mind- if they replace the 717's with EMB 195's under the rates in this TA, even a 7 or 8 year CA here will be either a 737 reserve 'ho or making a whopping $95./hr as an EMB CA.

If my choice was to make max dollars here for 10 years, or 20 years at a 40% cut as an EMB pilot, give me the 10 years at max pay, because 20 years at $95./hr isn't worth it.

that's so true you can ultimately make that change($) flying for any contract ho these days...........

 

[Ty Webb]

tell your BoD that the midwest deal is still probably a year away from happening (until they can get a majority on the board). till that time no transfer of 737's can happen.

There's no way that can happen now OR later. You can't make representations of a synergy-creating merger and then operate them separately for a whipsaw. This isn't 1987. There have been many developments since then, including a "Single Carrier Petition", Sarbanes-Oxley, "Hostile-Workplace Environment" lawsuits, and the development of the class-action lawsuit industry.

 

[Ty Webb]

bump . . .

 

[craigdash8]

Paging Lear70

Excellent analysis of the "ta" on your site. We came to the same conclusions about most of the sections, especially scope, scheduling, and hotels. I can't understand how it could have taken so long to present a document with practically no substance and how the negotiating committee and BoD can be so blind to it's failings. That said, there is an NPA teleconference tonight for all pilots. I hope you will call in and help make sure everyone is aware of just how dangerous the document is to our work.

Maybe you should be in a position to proof read the next "ta" before negotiations are complete. What say you?

C.

p.s. - what forum do you thing we will have for telling the negotiators what it will take to get the next one passed; if the crews can't dictate the content of the next ta, all the bitching is just academic

 

[ultrarunner]

Maybe you should be in a position to proof read the next "ta" before negotiations are complete. What say you?

If you vote this TA down, then recall your NC and BoD and put folks in place that speak for you, you won't need to look over their shoulder and "proof read" your next TA.

That's the whole point of having a competent BoD and NC.

 

[Lear70]

Excellent analysis of the "ta" on your site. We came to the same conclusions about most of the sections, especially scope, scheduling, and hotels. I can't understand how it could have taken so long to present a document with practically no substance and how the negotiating committee and BoD can be so blind to it's failings. That said, there is an NPA teleconference tonight for all pilots. I hope you will call in and help make sure everyone is aware of just how dangerous the document is to our work.

Thanks for the kudos, it's still a work in progress, gotta clean it up just a bit but hopefully will make a bigger push for it when the voting comes available.

I'm off and at home, so I fully plan on calling in tonight and having a few points to add to people's thought process.

Maybe you should be in a position to proof read the next "ta" before negotiations are complete. What say you?

You know, Allen mentioned something about that when I went to one of the road shows, and took my number down and said he'd call me "first thing this week". Obviously he hasn't.

I was really and truly hoping they'd realize they are NOT in tune with the pilot group and reverse their position accordingly since, after all, they DO work for US, but I guess they have no intention of doing so.

p.s. - what forum do you thing we will have for telling the negotiators what it will take to get the next one passed; if the crews can't dictate the content of the next ta, all the bitching is just academic

That's what a FULL polling of the pilot group is for, via web polling available to the ENTIRE pilot group, not just a "sampling" via Wilson Polling.

I was heavily involved in Communications at my last carrier, and that technology is certainly available and relatively easy to implement. It would take 20-30 minutes to answer all the questions and would give us a MUCH better feel for where the 80th+ percentile was at on issues, take those answers, and give them to the new and improved NC.

I don't pretend to know what everyone wants, I just believe I have a good feel for what most of us DON'T want (concessions in major QOL areas), and I know that whoever is running things during the next round will need reliable data to go in and get something all of us can live with in relative happiness for another 5-7+ years.

Good luck to all of us, and keep up the good work getting the word out!

 

[craigdash8]

You've obviously actually seen and worked under a real contract at another carrier (so have I). Many, many here haven't and that's what makes this place scary sometimes.

Ultrarunner is right on about BoD responsibility. They were either soundly beaten or they just don't know what a real CBA looks like (I think the latter).

C.