AirTran expected to report "record" profit

[Citrusflyer]

That's EXACTLY what they're doing.

The more time that goes by, the less angry and militant they believe the pilot group will become; that's straight out of the ALPA concessionary contract playbook and, for the most part, they're right.

Without someone to keep everyone energized and motivated towards a better contract, it will dillute the NO vote we need so desperately to be high. I'm wondering, short of a recall effort starting NOW, what would keep the average line pilot's eye on the ball?

Maybe this will help keep the motivation up; how effective is a BoD that has gone beyond not representing the pilot to basically representing the company?

Look at this from their (the BoDs) point of view.
**They send us this TA, with their full endorsement.
**They "say" they admit that the TA either needs to win, or go down hard.
**We get excuses that it was the best they could do with the support they were getting.
**They say some of the language will change to reflect the true intent of the particular section prior to a vote (not happening is it?).
**They tell us what the company's true intentions are always in our favor. (yeah riiiiggght). Blah, blah, blah.

THEN, behind closed doors, they whisper their discontent with the TA, but tell us it's the best they can do ("I voted in favor, but I’m really opposed to it” mantra keeps rising).
I have seen emails and heard conversations from BoD members to pilots that are stunningly condescending and arrogant.
Then the finale', they delay the vote until the end of the month, and will run it for 21 days, in an effort to dilute a "no" vote. They know it will still go down, but they're consciously making an effort to dilute the "no's", and for what purpose?

The only way I see this is that they don't want to go through this again, and will pull out every stop to make it as hard for us (their membership) as they possibly can. They will dilute the vote, wait 5 to 6 months to restart talking, and then come up with something that, in all likelihood, is not much better. Not one BoD member has shown any of us that they are willing to fight for us, yet their actions show how much they are willing to fight against us.

Actions speak louder than words, and their actions are speaking loud and clear!

 

[ATLDRVR]

I am voting yes!!

 

[Lear70]

I am voting yes!!

To the recall ballot? Good for you!

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

I am voting yes!!

you have that right. This guy is flame bait.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Is there a recall petition going around, and if so, who should I contact to sign it?

 

[Clyde Frog]

I blame the company for thinking so little of us.
I blame our NC and BOD for being complete idiots.

You should be blaming yourself and your fellow pilots. Think about it.

 

[Lear70]

You should be blaming yourself and your fellow pilots. Think about it.

Go back to your cubicle, Chuckie... er... I mean, 400ADude...

I don't know the status of the recall effort, I'm not involved in it right now. Didn't want to sign it and didn't want to go there, but it's looking like we're running out of options with the way the NPA BOD continues to behave.

 

[snuba]

I am voting yes!!

Why??

 

[SkiFishFly]

I am voting yes!!

Are you really that ignorant? How can you vote yes for a single concession in the face of record profits?
Those profits will be used to fund record bonuses. If they are asking for concessions from us - what concessions are they going to take?
(hint - none)

Where do I find out how to vote for a recall?

 

[Ty Webb]

Ding! DIng! Ding! We have a winner!

A RESPONSIBLE management team would have understood there's a balance to make the employees happy while not bankrupting the company. Now we have to not only fly our planes, but fight the very company we're working for AND fight our own union leadership, and that simply sucks.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

At some point, the people of quality say, "I deserve better than this" and start heading for the door . . . . leaving the scabs, the super senior, the dimwits and the unemployable.

In other words, an airline that won't last long. . . .

In the long run, the pilot part of it is really about safety, efficiency and customer service, and without a suitable contract, they will experience rapidly churning turnover, an apethetic workforce, and newhires of marginal skill and experience . . . . . . hardly the stuff necessary to compete against a LCC that has a happy, motivated and appreciated workforce.


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[wood pecker]

Exactly, I have already used up my patience hoping for the best. I am not going to waste my time trying to understand why the NPA shows picket signs they plan on using in the future w/ all of the support they have from the pilots only to reverse their statements 3 weeks later. They will not respond to questions on their website. The FO rep states how excited he is about the TA in writing despite all of the anger expressed by the members. Good luck AAI, for the new guys and me it is now easier to reapply than ever. Never thought I would quit this place after drinking all of their sweet bs in training. Oh well too much of good thing can make you sick. My hats off to the NPA, literally.

 

[CitationLover]

Hey Citation, don't blame the company for your TA.

uh it's not MY TA. our negotiations start next year.

 

[RadioClash]

I talked to a BOD guy the other day...Not sure I understand his logic or what in the he!! he is talking about:

#1. He told me that if we do not agree to this TA then JL will be extremely pi$$ed and transfer our 737's to Midwest

#2. He also told me that the company doesn't really want the E-190 due to the fact that if we were to get the E-190, displacements will occur, 717 pilot to 737, 737 pilot to E-190 etc. This triggers a training event or numerous training events which will increase the company's cost.

Okay now go back to #1 if JL were to transfer the 737's to Midwest would this not also trigger a training event therefore increasing the company's costs? He doesn't make sense.

If we are talking about training costs here why transfer aircraft to punish us at AirTran and increase our training costs but not get another aircraft type (I am not advocating the E-190) because it will increase training costs...

Another threat he made is that Mgmt would ask for release into self help, get it and impose the contract on us. Ummm okay, ASA has been negotiating for what 4 years now tried to get released and they were told to go back to the table, yet mgmt here would get released into self help? GMAFB!

 

[Lear70]

Desperate times call for desperate lies...

They know they're about to be forcibly removed from office after this POS dies in flames they and have little else to do but grasp at straws.

Who knows what the hell they're thinking, but they can think it back on the line...

 

[RadioClash]

In my previous post, what I was getting at was, if you tell a BOD guy the TA sucks then they use the threat of transferring aircraft to another company which obviously will increase training costs, and if you tell them that you don't want to fly an E-190, especially at those crappy rates, they say hey don't worry about it as it will increase training costs so mgmt won't do it.

It staggers the imagination.