Airtran contract

[Pilot Knob]

McMilf '08!!!

 

[Murphy]

McMilf '08!!!

Good one.

 

[Capt.LongThrust]

Someone needs to study what Marxism is.

LOL. Yep classic example of media politics.

 

[maxblast72]

McCain/VPilf '08!!!

 

[zman]

What does everyone think will happen with NPA and management neg.??? I mean say management says oh well we dont agree!! What do you think NPA will really do guys, just wondering what everyone is thinking.

 

[Clyde Frog]

What does everyone think will happen with NPA and management neg.??? I mean say management says oh well we dont agree!! What do you think NPA will really do guys, just wondering what everyone is thinking.

I'm thinking we've been acting like a bunch of pu$$ies.

If we acted like the pissed off airline pilots we are, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Waiting for our leadership to give us the green light is getting us nowhere.

Everyone needs to get their finances in order ASAP.

We need direction (good luck with that), we a strike vote, we need release from mediation.

The investors will sit up and take notice and at the 11th hour, management will blink. Without the threat of a strike/work action we'll never be taken seriously and never see a TA better than what was proposed last summer.

 

[Nindiri]

Don't be so sure about that 11th hour blink. Management may be just as willing as we are to shut the place down.

 

[carl p]

Well look at it this way. At least with ALPA if you get Diabetes or lose an eye you still dont have to work as a Walmart greeter for the rest of your life. I as an ALPA member am covered till Im 65. You unless fully disabled by a mack truck are not. If I am going to pay union dues I want the best bang for my buck. ALPA perfect? no the hell way! Better than NPA by a country mile though. If you were ALPA and you took a strike vote. ALPA national would give you millions to fight. NPA? No im not exagerrating. You woud have money and attorneys to actually fight your grievences. Look at Spirit. They are locked and loaded. They are smaller than Airtran. If Airtran had Spirits resources it would boggle my mind. I truly believe that the majority of Airtran pilots are militant enough. They just need direction and some tools to do the job. If your going to pay union dues anyways buy something nice!

You sir, get it! I've been with ALPA and it would be a great improvement.

 

[71driver]

Don't be so sure about that 11th hour blink. Management may be just as willing as we are to shut the place down.

This is high stakes poker, what you have to ask yourself is what are we asking for...industry avg. , COLA and clean up the contract, they will not shut the place down for that, if they do than so be it I am comfortable asking for what we were for openers in 2005. The 2001 contract was a very, very significant improvement over our old contract more so than what we are seeking now and that added approximentally .2-.3 cents to our CASM
This 3 year delay from our mgnmt, and the ill feelings that our pilot group is developing towards our compnay was unneccessary. me thinks they saw our kindness (asking industry avg) as our weakness......wrong

 

[j41driver]

Don't be so sure about that 11th hour blink. Management may be just as willing as we are to shut the place down.

Shut 'er down then.

 

[Nindiri]

Fine with me. But instead of predicting 11th hour blinks, we better get ready. Right now, we aren't even prepared to strike our way out of a paper bag.

 

[twepilot]

read the latest npa blast email..Moving in the right direction.

RV

 

[MINIME]

I doubt any CEO wants to be labeled as one that lost thousands of jobs because he refused to increase labor costs by .02 cents. The AAI CEO looks to have a few years of life ahead of him.

He'll still need a job doing something. I am sure most of his other executives would still need a job as well. After being at a company that was allowed to fail that perhaps shouldn't have, jobs will be hard to come by for them. Shareholders would also stand to lose millions. I doubt they want to see that.

Thus, a strike is a very effective yet illusive weapon. If you do get to that point, you're luckier than most. If the executives and shareholders allow the company to go under at that point, then that company never had the right exist in the first place. It was never operated in a manner to be a viable long standing company. Eventually you'd be out of job anyway.

Get you finances in order. Get your SPC ready. Looking at the big picture you've got nothing to lose.

 

[zman]

Do you guys think that at least 90% of the pilots will obide by a strike?? Cause my worst fear is that since NPA so weak as a union would pilots honor it! I mean I have read previous books in the past how ALPA and various other unions had to use some serious "discussions" with individuals who were about to cross and decided not to. You guys think NPA has that ability to really get the message across to honor a strike!

 

[BlueYonder]

With what AirTran pays their FOs, and no upgrades in sight for several years, any concessions would make it not worth my while to go to work. I already make 65% less than a Southwest pilot gets for doing exactly the same job. I have no problem shutting the place down and walking away!!

 

[MINIME]

Do you guys think that at least 90% of the pilots will obide by a strike?? Cause my worst fear is that since NPA so weak as a union would pilots honor it! I mean I have read previous books in the past how ALPA and various other unions had to use some serious "discussions" with individuals who were about to cross and decided not to. You guys think NPA has that ability to really get the message across to honor a strike!

Even if they don't, doesn't like 60-70% of your pilot group commute? That being the case, I doubt any self respecting CA would be willing to accommodate any pilot crossing the line. I'm fairly certain that no DAL CA would do it. Good luck to them getting a ride to and from work.

I doubt that all the would be "scabs" live in ATL. Therefore, no matter if only half the group honors the strike, the airline would probably not be able to run.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Do you guys think that at least 90% of the pilots will obide by a strike??

Yes.

And it looks like we're getting prepared for it right now. Looooong overdue.

 

[mma35]

With what AirTran pays their FOs, and no upgrades in sight for several years, any concessions would make it not worth my while to go to work. I already make 65% less than a Southwest pilot gets for doing exactly the same job. I have no problem shutting the place down and walking away!!

Exactly! I can be a Wal-Mart greeter and be home every night. (and not be on reserve)

I often see "equal pay for equal work" bills being pushed, so we should make as much as the SWA guys, right?

 

[carl p]

Glad to see we may be growing a sac!