AirTran announces new service to Key West

[Ty Webb]

Alaska doesn't train their pilots via a handout.

Leave it to GT1900 to overlook the obvious. This is the same clown who sees nothing wrong with dispatching with a bleed inop from ATL-CUN.

 

[gt1900]

Whats wrong Ty. Not good enough to get a 737 stopped in 4800 ft? Or mabye your not good enough to get one off in 4800 ft. Either way, maybe you shouldn't bid for Key West when it comes up! The Alaska guys did it in 3900ft in Alaska weather, your complaining about a runway thats 4800 ft long? Your probably one of those guys who get worked up at MDW as well. Does someone really have to train you how to land the airplane at the 1500ft mark and get it stopped in 3300ft...... With autobrakes? Just how much runway do you need... 7000ft.... 8000 ft..... If you can't operate the airplane within the performance envelope of the airplane maybe you should become a dispatcher!

The performance runs have already been done in Key West. And they proved it could easily be done. Sorry your abilities don't allow you to operate the aircraft in the performance envelope of the a/c.

 

[Moustache]

Flew the Emb170 in and out of there for US airways Express, never was an issue, never used anywhere close to the whole runway...

Noted...Thanks

 

[rajflyboy]

Whats wrong Ty. Not good enough to get a 737 stopped in 4800 ft? Or mabye your not good enough to get one off in 4800 ft. Either way, maybe you shouldn't bid for Key West when it comes up! The Alaska guys did it in 3900ft in Alaska weather, your complaining about a runway thats 4800 ft long? Your probably one of those guys who get worked up at MDW as well. Does someone really have to train you how to land the airplane at the 1500ft mark and get it stopped in 3300ft...... With autobrakes? Just how much runway do you need... 7000ft.... 8000 ft..... If you can't operate the airplane within the performance envelope of the airplane maybe you should become a dispatcher!

The performance runs have already been done in Key West. And they proved it could easily be done. Sorry your abilities don't allow you to operate the aircraft in the performance envelope of the a/c.

If you understood performance you would know that the bigger problem is the take off numbers. The landing numbers are not the problem.

 

[ultrarunner]

Yeah, landing numbers from a MCO departure should be no problem. Heck, if SWA's little computer says you can land on a 5000 feet, in winter, with contamination, no autobrakes, and a tail wind, you can go into EYW!

T/O could be an issue at times. Brake energy limits might come into play unless it's a terminating flight.

Prly no FLEX T/O's.

 

[gt1900]

What you guys don't understand is that the trial runs have already been done. Theyve already had a 737 down there doing bounces to prove the performance numbers would work. So whats the problem? Do you really think AAI would announce a city like EYW before the knew if it could be done?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

The biggest problem with EYW is the optical illusion you will give yourself after being used to landing on 8,000 - 10,000 foot runways. (fear of floating)

My first landing in EYW was horrible, and the next Jepp. revision had a new update for EYW. Evidentally, the TDZE was now 2 feet lower for some reason. :erm:

 

[Metrojet]

Flew the F-28 in and out of there long time ago, don't remember anything unusal, except some of the locals.

Must have been Piedmont!

Metrojet

 

[the turtle]

And don't forget to call "Positive Foxtrot" to ground when you clear the runway!!

 

[Papa Woody]

Relax, fellas!

It's not like it's a DC-friggin'-3....

.....jet engines never quit.

With all-engines-operating, the -700 is gonna blast outta there.

With all-engines-operating, the 727 looked like an engine had quit on every takeoff.

(it rattles teeth, sets off car alarms, and delays games at Shea....but if we paint "whisperjet" on the tail, maybe people won't notice.....heh heh....)

 

[Papa Woody]

...the next Jepp. revision had a new update for EYW. Evidentally, the TDZE was now 2 feet lower for some reason. :erm:

Global Warming.....the seas are rising!

Told 'ja! Al Gore was right!

 

[Lear70]

(it rattles teeth, sets off car alarms, and delays games at Shea....but if we paint "whisperjet" on the tail, maybe people won't notice.....heh heh....)

Haven't heard that in a LOONNNGGG time!

 

[Penguin46]

You got a point

Whats wrong Ty. Not good enough to get a 737 stopped in 4800 ft? Or mabye your not good enough to get one off in 4800 ft. Either way, maybe you shouldn't bid for Key West when it comes up! The Alaska guys did it in 3900ft in Alaska weather, your complaining about a runway thats 4800 ft long? Your probably one of those guys who get worked up at MDW as well. Does someone really have to train you how to land the airplane at the 1500ft mark and get it stopped in 3300ft...... With autobrakes? Just how much runway do you need... 7000ft.... 8000 ft..... If you can't operate the airplane within the performance envelope of the airplane maybe you should become a dispatcher!

The performance runs have already been done in Key West. And they proved it could easily be done. Sorry your abilities don't allow you to operate the aircraft in the performance envelope of the a/c.

That's why we get paid the big bucks....oh wait a minute

 

[Colonel Savage]

That's why we get paid the big bucks....oh wait a minute

Really, get ahold of yourself, man!

 

[Ty Webb]

Whats wrong Ty. Not good enough to get a 737 stopped in 4800 ft? Or mabye your not good enough to get one off in 4800 ft. Either way, maybe you shouldn't bid for Key West when it comes up!

Yawn. . . . I hate to break it to you, ace, but I was based at a 5100' strip for two years, and the jet I was flying had higher ref speeds, manual spoilers, manual brakes and similar runway numbers to the 737.

I've flown jets into Key West, and Telluride, and other places that you couldn't even find on a map, certainly not the map that came with the happy meal you are a few fries short of completing.

Let's revisit this conversation after 12 months of EYW ops, shall we, and we'll determine then if the risk was worth the reward . . . . I hope it will be, but I doubt that will be the conclusion.

 

[gt1900]

Wanna place a bet on who has more TEX landings????? I bet I have just a few more then you! How about EGE, GUC, or SUN? Everytime you talk you make yourself look like more of a dumb@&&!

 

[FlyWolf]

Dudes, make sure you take an extra change of underwear in you flight bag, 4800' ouch....

 

[gt1900]

All the B.S. aside. It probably should be a special airport for AAI. 4800ft is a piece of cake for 90% of the guys out there. Its the 10% that would worry me.

 

[T3700]

Wow!! gt1900, you must be the most awesomest pilot ever!!

 

[Ty Webb]

Wanna place a bet on who has more TEX landings????? I bet I have just a few more then you! How about EGE, GUC, or SUN? Everytime you talk you make yourself look like more of a dumb@&&!

Mine were in a jet . . . yours were in a Beech 1900.

BTW, Ron says "high".:laugh: