Airtran=alpa!!!! The Time Is Now

[gt1900]

Um.... ya your were.... Per the Jan 1 2008 seniority list your were within 160 of the bottom of the seniority list............. You may be a little higher now, but if the chit hits the fan, your arse is gone.... Not trying to bash you, but don't act so high and mighty....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Umm, PCL_128 was never at risk. But thanks for your concern.

The fact is that most of the 177 were screaming at the top of their lungs for the NPA to not cave. Their jobs were on the line, and they still wanted the union to stand strong on our contract language. The people that we were compromising for were begging us not to compromise. As someone else said, we folded like a cheap WalMart lawn chair.

I thought you said there wouldn't be any concessions? What happened?

 

[PCL_128]

Um.... ya your were.... Per the Jan 1 2008 seniority list your were within 160 of the bottom of the seniority list............. You may be a little higher now, but if the chit hits the fan, your arse is gone....

Nope. You've got the wrong guy. As of that seniority list, I was roughly 250 from the bottom.

 

[PCL_128]

I thought you said there wouldn't be any concessions? What happened?

I can't believe I'm going to say this......You were right, Joey. You have no idea how hard it is for me to say that.

 

[gt1900]

Um.... No I don't... Want me to call you out junior... Your just to stupid to realize youve already gave it away on FI...

 

[jehtplane]

Um.... No I don't... Want me to call you out junior... Your just to stupid to realize youve already gave it away on FI...

Grow up man. Have you even started puberty yet.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Firing 175 guys would have been b.s....... But our managment would have done it...

And would have suffered the publicity consequences, and been sued. NPA should have called the bluff.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I can't believe I'm going to say this......You were right, Joey. You have no idea how hard it is for me to say that.

....guess you owe me a beer.....:beer:

 

[jetjock6]

I think you guys will be happy with the level of service you get from ALPA. There seems to be no problem that they can't fix with a big blow up rat and a few signs. And since they are looking for ways to collect more dues they should be able to buy more rats. Therefore the service will only get better.

Seriously, I fell your frustration but ALPA will do jack squat for you.

 

[Nindiri]

God, this is embarrassing. In the space of a year, we have had to recall our union officers, dealt with a piece of crap TA, had the police escort incident, and given a major concession to the company. And now we're threatening to out each other on a public message board. Somebody just shoot me.

 

[STL717]

You AirTran pilots need a little lesson.

The letters that make up you union has nothing to do with your strength. NPA, ALPA or APC, it doesn’t matter. Your strength comes from within. Each and every one of you AirTran pilots makes your union strong or weak. Collectively as a group your actions and more importantly, inactions determine your strength as a pilot union and thus your destiny. Apathy is your enemy.

You are not management and thus have no control how the airline navigates through this difficult time. You do have control over how management treats you as a group.

Maybe it’s time you as an individual stepped up to the bar and became more involved in the union. A unified pilot group is a strong pilot group.

(APC- AirTran Pilot Coalition)

 

[CoolSidePillow]

NO ALPA!!!

Just shut those holes in your faces.

 

[ASADriver]

Lets be real about this. Management played a hand of poker and won. What exactly was GAINED by this last LOA, Please tell. Management gave exactly what they wanted us have. The retired guys still in the training dept. A bunch of the company may's and that is it. I think it is time for the backing of a national union. How do you think it looks with what happened yesterday. The NPA is the laughing stock amid management. When you log into the NPA website you have a 3 page letter about the MEMRAT and nothing about the furloughs or displacement bid that came out today, or what does TBD "we will let you know your status in a few weeks" deal. What does that mean? The union leaders should be all over this and posting something immediately. Hello !!!!!!

Why did you even leave ASA? You had a good gig over here.

 

[ASADriver]

We need more details on the police coming to the union hall. What happened?

 

[jehtplane]

Why did you even leave ASA? You had a good gig over here.

Hows oakland?

 

[bladeusa]

Regardless of the letters behind it, a union is only as strong as its members.. and no union is perfect. However, after being a member of both alpa and the npa, i honestly feel alpa would be better than what we have. The people we are up against have been doing this along time. I think our guys try to the best of their abilities, but we need the stronger support and resources.
If there is yet another petition to sign, im willing.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

You AirTran pilots need a little lesson.

The letters that make up you union has nothing to do with your strength. NPA, ALPA or APC, it doesn’t matter. Your strength comes from within. Each and every one of you AirTran pilots makes your union strong or weak. Collectively as a group your actions and more importantly, inactions determine your strength as a pilot union and thus your destiny. Apathy is your enemy.

You are not management and thus have no control how the airline navigates through this difficult time. You do have control over how management treats you as a group.

Maybe it’s time you as an individual stepped up to the bar and became more involved in the union. A unified pilot group is a strong pilot group.

(APC- AirTran Pilot Coalition)

Ding Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner! Typical these days to blame others, we individually are the union and what we do or don't do day in and day out has a heck of a lot more to do with our success or failure than the acronym on the stickers.

The truly depressing fact is that we have a ton of guys who want the spoils of war, but have no stomach for the fight

 

[JoeMerchant]

The truly depressing fact is that we have a ton of guys who want the spoils of war, but have no stomach for the fight

Exactly.....ALPA doesn't change that fact....

There will never be the stomach for the fight unless there is a safety net.....ie lateral movements......

We can argue all day long...and will.....but without transportability of seniority, nothing will change....

 

[SkiFishFly]

I agree that we will only be as strong as we the pilots at AAI make it. The letters behind the union mean little or nothing.

If we sign up for the likes of ALPA, all we will be doing is joining a union which is actually in decline and sending our dues money off to pay the ridiculous salaries of a bunch of guys who couldn't give a dam about AirTran.

It would be much smarter to spend our dues money on better lawyers (even if they are ALPA hired as consultants) and keep our in-house BOD.

With ALPA, it will cost us all more money and we will still only be as strong as our own mec/lec (not sure which acro is correct). We just need to get together as a group.


Remember it was the Company and management that took this lower than whale sheite approach to defend the training department. The BOD was stuck between a rock and a hard place and took what they felt was the best action to protect our fellow pilots. Let's direct the anger and disappointment where it belongs - towards the company leadership.

 

[sweptback]

With ALPA, it will cost us all more money and we will still only be as strong as our own mec/lec (not sure which acro is correct). We just need to get together as a group.

How would it cost you more money when ALPA dues are less than NPA dues?