AirTran 737 Captains voting "NO"

[Fubijaakr]

You SWA guys always toss your pay rate about. It reminds me of an old saying:

"Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing."

Seriously, it makes you all sound like a bunch of nouveau riche pretenders at the country club. Its classless.

Glad you're making a ton now. How much were your captains making 20 years ago? That's why SWA was the LAST choice of employers then.

 

[flynvixen]

Really? Given the history of how Herbalife and his clone, the God King have treated other pilot groups? You should have at least recognized you were going to get raped just by what the F9 guys experienced.



Exactly. Career expectations for both sides are the same...737 CA. However, the arrogance of the SWA group won out.



But you're not part of the family. You were "Acquired, not Hired". You didn't pay the $5K for a 737 type rating to buy an interview. You're inferior. Obviously, you didn't recognize that.

You seriously need to bow down, face West, and genuflect to the God King while you get raped. And do it with a smile on your face, please.



There you have it. DoH would have totally negated this. But, BOTH of your groups are voting for it and BOTH of you will reap what you sow.

Remember the Law of Unintended Consequences...

You should have taken the first offer, with a smile .....but noooooo ALPA says we can screw the SWAPA guys more .......and now look what that got you .......you guys or at least your greedy ALAP over reached and demanded more than you were entitled to......ALPA met its match on this one .......I hope it spells the end of ALPA.......You guys just dont get the whole acquired not merged thing ......in the end the government should not be telling company's how to do things.......be thankful you have a job with a company that just gave you a big pay raise.....I come to work for the pay check not a seat position, if the money is right I dont care what seat I sit in, you guys act like you took a big pay cut, lost your seat and got stapled too.......GMAFB

 

[flynvixen]

You SWA guys always toss your pay rate about. It reminds me of an old saying:

"Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing."

Seriously, it makes you all sound like a bunch of nouveau riche pretenders at the country club. Its classless.

Glad you're making a ton now. How much were your captains making 20 years ago? That's why SWA was the LAST choice of employers then.

20 years ago.......live in the now fool now look at who is the last choice.....up until just a few months ago.......Citrus anyone ?????

 

[humveedriver]

You should have taken the first offer, with a smile .....but noooooo ALPA says we can screw the SWAPA guys more .......and now look what that got you .......you guys or at least your greedy ALAP over reached and demanded more than you were entitled to......ALPA met its match on this one .......I hope it spells the end of ALPA.......You guys just dont get the whole acquired not merged thing ......in the end the government should not be telling company's how to do things.......be thankful you have a job with a company that just gave you a big pay raise.....I come to work for the pay check not a seat position, if the money is right I dont care what seat I sit in, you guys act like you took a big pay cut, lost your seat and got stapled too.......GMAFB

That dude works for Alaska. You could at least try to be relevant when you post.

 

[Fubijaakr]

That dude works for Alaska. You could at least try to be relevant when you post.

Exactly. That's why that whole "Hired, not acquired" argument is pure BS. Personally, I think the AAI guys would have been better served to torpedo this whole AIP sideshow and let the arbitrator decide.

Frankly, I believe in straight DoH in any merger, but look what the AWA guys accomplished by going for binding arbitration. They IMPROVED their seniority significantly by presenting a cogent argument to the arbitrator.

The Pickleballers went in and screamed "DOH" like a bunch of spoiled brats and look where it got them.

The SWA boys would have gone in and screamed "Hired, not acquired" and would have lost equally badly.

However, it looks like the majority of the AAI pilots are reacting to the God King putting a gun to their heads and will vote for this abortion.

Just an opinon, but a little steel in your sack at this point would probably pay huge dividends in the end.

 

[Sacha]

Listen to Fudgepacker, the Alaska B-scale God King of ALPA. His steel nuts got him a 20% pay cut, a B-scale and codeshare. Bravo!!!

What a Gomer......

 

[flynvixen]

Exactly. That's why that whole "Hired, not acquired" argument is pure BS. Personally, I think the AAI guys would have been better served to torpedo this whole AIP sideshow and let the arbitrator decide.

Frankly, I believe in straight DoH in any merger, but look what the AWA guys accomplished by going for binding arbitration. They IMPROVED their seniority significantly by presenting a cogent argument to the arbitrator.

The Pickleballers went in and screamed "DOH" like a bunch of spoiled brats and look where it got them.

The SWA boys would have gone in and screamed "Hired, not acquired" and would have lost equally badly.

However, it looks like the majority of the AAI pilots are reacting to the God King putting a gun to their heads and will vote for this abortion.

Just an opinon, but a little steel in your sack at this point would probably pay huge dividends in the end.

No....it would have ended in two company's never being integrated and a bunch of JV pilots being put on the street. You can play the ALPA game all day long, be ALPA met its match in dealing with this company. ALPA is not driving this deal and it burned them up and I hope they do vote it down. This is not a typical airline deal and BM means nothing if the company's are not brought together......you ALPA koolaid drinkers never learn...look what a great job ALPA did for United

 

[tankerhead]

Dude, I can completely understand and even happily agree with your hate and disdain for all things ALPA, but the JV comments are undermining any credibility you might otherwise have. There are folks over here that have resumes that would undoubtedly put yours to shame. You really need to find a way to continue hating ALPA while not trashing and spewing vitriol about a mostly good group of guys and gals. You're clearly making yourself miserable.

Carry on.

 

[JT12345]

Exactly. That's why that whole "Hired, not acquired" argument is pure BS. Personally, I think the AAI guys would have been better served to torpedo this whole AIP sideshow and let the arbitrator decide.

Frankly, I believe in straight DoH in any merger, but look what the AWA guys accomplished by going for binding arbitration. They IMPROVED their seniority significantly by presenting a cogent argument to the arbitrator.

The Pickleballers went in and screamed "DOH" like a bunch of spoiled brats and look where it got them.

The SWA boys would have gone in and screamed "Hired, not acquired" and would have lost equally badly.

However, it looks like the majority of the AAI pilots are reacting to the God King putting a gun to their heads and will vote for this abortion.

Just an opinon, but a little steel in your sack at this point would probably pay huge dividends in the end.

Some of guys may not vote. It is not democratic when you have a gun to your head, so why bother. That is a dictatorship. There may be a low turn out. That will benefit the Yes vote.

 

[jhill]

Well Sacha, looks like WN has a B scale now too. Do you support that?

Don't think that's not something we worried about. That's why it has an experation date.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Dude, I can completely understand and even happily agree with your hate and disdain for all things ALPA, but the JV comments are undermining any credibility you might otherwise have. There are folks over here that have resumes that would undoubtedly put yours to shame. You really need to find a way to continue hating ALPA while not trashing and spewing vitriol about a mostly good group of guys and gals. You're clearly making yourself miserable.

Carry on.

Just ignore him. There's our small group of vocal pilots who are voting no, and think that if they shout loud enough and often enough, that they might change people's minds. As if that ever happens. Like most of the people who are a little less emotional, I predict passage by 70-80% on both sides. Then we can actually put this behind us and work together... you know, rag on Fubijaakr together, instead of from opposite sides of the fence.

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here. Show's over.

Bubba

 

[carl p]

Agreed Bubba, there are goobers on both sides.

 

[bendover]

flyinvixin's post need to be forwarded to swa mgmt and he needs to be revealed for who he is so everyone on the swa seniority list can move up one number. HE needs to go. he is polluting the swa culture.

 

[Fubijaakr]

he is polluting the swa culture.

Are you kidding? He's the poster boy for SWA "culture."

 

[Mamma]

flyinvixin's post need to be forwarded to swa mgmt and he needs to be revealed for who he is so everyone on the swa seniority list can move up one number. HE needs to go. he is polluting the swa culture.

Vixin is a "she" and most likely a "quota" hire at that. That sense of entitlement with little accomplishment is apparent. Can usually spot them a mile away.