AirTran 737 Captains voting "NO"

[Fubijaakr]

FU

Another classy SWA pilot replies....

 

[madjack]

Another classy SWA pilot replies....

Try this you class broad: FU DBag

 

[Fubijaakr]

Try this you class broad: FU DBag

Too much "1,2,3" maddie?

 

[flynvixen]

Well, ain't you special. Let me splain something to you toots. 100 hrs just means your about as qualified as that girl in the right seat of the Colgan Air flight that crashed in Buffalo. Furthermore, there wouldn't be women in the cockpit if it was not for ALPA. You got hired from a commuter, started flying orange minipigs and decided you were special. ALPA,s problems are not as an organization but as a direct result of being co-opted by a generation that has the wisdom and experience of George W. Bush. By the way, Churchill,s ineptitude led directly to almost loosing WWI and WWII. It ain't all about you sugar.

Use your head for a change dude ......my bad I meant to say 1000 hrs so very sorry you could not figure that one out without help WTFO

anyway you slice it ALPA sucks and has cost the Clampett's a bunch of $$$$$$ and maybe jobs.....once again good job ALPA good fricking job

 

[flynvixen]

What major dues did you pay that no one else at any other airline has paid?? I am really curious. Give me a break!!! You interviewed, got hired and made it through groundschool....

Here's the deal spitfire......most of the Citrus guys had app's in at SWA or interviewed and did not make the cut.......now they get on here by no work on their part and before they get here they want to define the terms on which they will accept employment ?????? GMAFB. That's why we at SWA are upset......

Look the fact of the matter is they will never be happy, thank god there is only 1600 or so for now depending on what we do with the RJ's Maybe the ALPA mentality wont pollute our culture too much and over time it will work.....SWAPA pilots need to make sure that none of the ALPA MEC from this deal ever and I mean ever make it to a position anywhere at SWAPA.
or we are all doomed.

ALPA has wrecked every airline that they have been involved with and they will do the same to SWA if not snuffed out at every turn here at SWA.

I hate ALPA

 

[Fubijaakr]

Well, lyinvixin, there's really no room in ALPA for a class act like you anyway.

 

[Sacha]

Well, lyinvixin, there's really no room in ALPA for a class act like you anyway.

Fudgepacker is the "poster child" for every reason ALPA is an epic FAIL. 25 years after the first B-scale in the industry and years of fighting to get rid of them, Alaska Airlines comes up with another B-scale and Fudge the ALPA man is fully supportive of it because after all, he had to go through one....

Now listen to how he tries to spin that they didn't have any choice.....

 

[flynvixen]

Well, lyinvixin, there's really no room in ALPA for a class act like you anyway.

Blah Blah Blah

there is no room at ALPA except for ALPA, more pilots = more dues for ALPA even if the airline can do the work with less pilots, ALPA demands more pilots so more dues get paid to pay for the ALPA president to make $600K all the while keep the masses stirred up and unhappy until the company is dead and all the pilots are on the street, asking "what happened"???? as ALPA drives on down the road looking for another pilot group that will buy into their line of BS.

ALPA sucks and is the reason the airline industry is in the shape its in.

Good job ALPA keep up the good work .......killing jobs

 

[tankerhead]

you forgot staple staple

dick

 

[Mamma]

Here's the deal spitfire......most of the Citrus guys had app's in at SWA or interviewed and did not make the cut.......now they get on here by no work on their part and before they get here they want to define the terms on which they will accept employment ?????? GMAFB. That's why we at SWA are upset......

Look the fact of the matter is they will never be happy, thank god there is only 1600 or so for now depending on what we do with the RJ's Maybe the ALPA mentality wont pollute our culture too much and over time it will work.....SWAPA pilots need to make sure that none of the ALPA MEC from this deal ever and I mean ever make it to a position anywhere at SWAPA.
or we are all doomed.

ALPA has wrecked every airline that they have been involved with and they will do the same to SWA if not snuffed out at every turn here at SWA.

I hate ALPA

Nice culture. Your arrogance and sense of self-entitlement is amazing as is your ignorance on ALPA. I would suggest you just fade away from this thread because you are starting to drag your pilot group down by association.

 

[flynvixen]

you forgot staple staple

dick

Thanks for the reminder sphincter boy

Staple staple .........and please vote NO

and one more thing ALPA SUCKS

 

[flynvixen]

Nice culture. Your arrogance and sense of self-entitlement is amazing as is your ignorance on ALPA. I would suggest you just fade away from this thread because you are starting to drag your pilot group down by association.

Hey Mamma,

My sense of self-entitlement ??? GMAFB the citrus guys are the ones that wanted more than they were entitled to. What part of that don't you understand......they get a big pay raise and all the other goodies in the contract and with the company.......but no that's not enough because the all knowing savior ALPA told them that they were entitled to more, were worth more, deserved more,

just because ALPA says so does not mean it is true. the fact is they overreached big time and it cost them big.....During the Frontier deal the citrus guys were all over this forum crying for a staple......and now they want to be brought into our operation as if they have been on board for years when the fact is most of them either tried to get on here and failed or were trying to get on when they were acquired.......got it yet ? or shall I continue ??? one more time for the hard of hearing.

BM is a shining example of what happens when the government sticks its nose where it doesn't belong, industry always finds a way around what the idiots in congress try and fix.....just like the recent banking debacle with debit cards fee's, the banks just find another way to get the money, and like this deal industry just found a way around BM......Texas sub corp (holding company's)

Government telling company's how they must operate and the rules when they acquire another company is the reason this country is in the shape its in right now. Everything the government touches turns the $hit and now they think they can spell out the rules for airlines acquiring other airlines ???GMAFB

Go talk to the citrus boys about self-entitlement......they are acquired and then they want to spell out the terms in which they come over here and work........sorry dude ALPA met its match on this one and it cost the Clampett's big......

Remember this one Citrus vato's......Dont be more trouble than you are worth......learn it, love it, live it

 

[freightdogfred]

Fudgepacker is the "poster child" for every reason ALPA is an epic FAIL. 25 years after the first B-scale in the industry and years of fighting to get rid of them, Alaska Airlines comes up with another B-scale and Fudge the ALPA man is fully supportive of it because after all, he had to go through one....

Now listen to how he tries to spin that they didn't have any choice.....

Well Sacha, looks like WN has a B scale now too. Do you support that?

 

[CorpCaptain]

Hey Mamma,

My sense of self-entitlement ??? GMAFB the citrus guys are the ones that wanted more than they were entitled to. What part of that don't you understand......they get a big pay raise and all the other goodies in the contract and with the company.......but no that's not enough because the all knowing savior ALPA told them that they were entitled to more, were worth more, deserved more,

just because ALPA says so does not mean it is true. the fact is they overreached big time and it cost them big.....During the Frontier deal the citrus guys were all over this forum crying for a staple......and now they want to be brought into our operation as if they have been on board for years when the fact is most of them either tried to get on here and failed or were trying to get on when they were acquired.......got it yet ? or shall I continue ??? one more time for the hard of hearing.

BM is a shining example of what happens when the government sticks its nose where it doesn't belong, industry always finds a way around what the idiots in congress try and fix.....just like the recent banking debacle with debit cards fee's, the banks just find another way to get the money, and like this deal industry just found a way around BM......Texas sub corp (holding company's)

Government telling company's how they must operate and the rules when they acquire another company is the reason this country is in the shape its in right now. Everything the government touches turns the $hit and now they think they can spell out the rules for airlines acquiring other airlines ???GMAFB

Go talk to the citrus boys about self-entitlement......they are acquired and then they want to spell out the terms in which they come over here and work........sorry dude ALPA met its match on this one and it cost the Clampett's big......

Remember this one Citrus vato's......Dont be more trouble than you are worth......learn it, love it, live it

Boy, you must be a real joy to fly with. I have no dog in this fight but your negativity and condesending nature speaks volumes. Good luck once the merging of lists is complete and everyone at AT knows who you are.

 

[Fubijaakr]

25 years after the first B-scale in the industry and years of fighting to get rid of them, Alaska Airlines comes up with another B-scale

Sacka you really are a dolt. You're certainly entitled to you opinions, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts. I keep scratching my head when you refer to this Alaska B-scale.

The first B-scale at Alaska was years before I was hired. I served the entire 5 years of it. If you're referring to the Kasherstration, here's TWO fun facts for you:

1. It was imposed by an arbitrator.
2. EVERY pilot got a pay cut...Capt's averaged 22%, F/Os averaged 35%. Was that unfair? Certainly. Did ANYONE vote for it? NOPE.

Sacka, you and Lyinvixin really are a matched pair of tools in the SWAPA shed. The Blue Kool-Aid crowd must really be proud of you.

Well Sacha, looks like WN has a B scale now too. Do you support that?

Yeah, isn't that a scream? Sacka likes to toss the B-scale flamebait, but the truth of the matter is HE and Lyinvixin have just voted to impose a TRUE B-scale on 1700 AAI pilots. Perhaps its a Freudian attempt to deflect the guilt he's feeling about how SWAPA has completely screwed over their new coworkers.

Boy, you must be a real joy to fly with. I have no dog in this fight but your negativity and condesending nature speaks volumes. Good luck once the merging of lists is complete and everyone at AT knows who you are.

Sacka and Lyinvixin...the 1%ers every pilot group has to suffer with.

 

[vv100]

Give it a rest Vixen.

 

[ron burgundy]

You bet your a$$ there are SWA guys that think this deal is unfair and you bet your a$$ I just voted NO. I cant wait to hear your ALPA talking points on how any of this BS sandwich is fair to any SWA guy.

Tell me what we got out of this deal ?? and please dont tell me ATL....I dont give a rats a$$ about ATL.

We acquired you, gave you a big pay raise, better everything and what do we get from you.......a loud typical ALPA NO we want more, we deserve more, we are entitled to more, we demand more........until the big smack down.

You fools are lucky to be here, dont forget during the Frontier deal you guys were begging for a staple now look at you. ALPA sold you down the river and cost you a bunch of $$$$$$$ and if your not careful it could be a bunch of jobs too.......good work ALPA.......you suck

To all the citrus guys and gals .......please vote NO

I dont give a rats a$$ about ATL.

You may not,what about your boss,whom you adore,that is running a multi-billion dollar business? Are you thinking about benefits to your employer? Are you just thinking of how YOU will benefit?


a loud typical ALPA NO

About 75% realized that was as good as it gets,and depending where you are,was not that atrocious.

we want more, we deserve more, we are entitled to more, we demand more

Sure! Stupid a$$ people. Greedy,needy,self-absorbed,holier than thou,I am somebody,this is my employer,this is my paycheck,I have a hot wife,a big boat,look at my new watch,my watch is more accurate than yours,I know more than you,whats better for you, narcissistic a$$holes.

This statement is not targeting anyone or any company. It is just what I believe to be the predominant behavior in our profession.

You fools are lucky to be here

SEE ABOVE....

 

[madjack]

"You fools are lucky to be here"


Well at least one thing you said is true...

 

[tankerhead]

Give it a rest Vixen.

He's at the top of the heap, huh? He's out-fudged, out-OYsixed, out-Dylan'd, even out-GLee'd the originals. Very impressive.

But I am ready to get his PDC. This Clampett-vestite critter voted yes.:beer:

 

[K69]

It is truly sad that some people's obvious passion cannot be put to good use and try to make this difficult situation better. Instead, dump that fuel on the fire. Nice. It should be obvious who this is directed to. There are arrogant, self-centered asses on both sides of this deal, so don't feel like you are alone.

I did not "Win Big". I will lose my 737CA seat after six years in it, I will lose my base and have to commute (the most frustrating part), I will lose a defined contribution plan, I will lose thirty-two percent seniority, etc. I also get to be treated like the unwanted, red-headed step child for years to come. Not a win, at all. Completely, shockingly opposite from what I expected. COMPLETELY.

I thought the protections of the first agreement were ridiculous, overly complex, and expensive. If the "Fair and Equitable" part of the whole "Welcome to the SWA Family" was indeed meant to be followed, DOH would have probably been the most fair for both sides, letting the chips fall where they may, followed by arbitration if the two sides were too far apart. Plain and simple. A certain process to be followed was agreed to in the beginning and that is what i had expected. I never, ever thought I would be forced to vote with a gun to my head for my job. I never thought SWA and the famous culture would do that to 1700+ pilots already welcomed to the family.

What a difference one year can make. Good luck to all; even the arrogant and self-centered.

Flame on, if you must.