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[BushwickBill]

Good positive attitude! That's what you need to do that job! I did it! Good luck!

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Not saying I wasn't positive. Just a little disapointed. I just finished my year end taxes. About 13,000 this year. I live in the most expensive part of California. This would have been a good thing for me. Now I'm waiting for the letter with the rembursment for my airline ticket.

 

[mcjohn]

Probably none of my business but I'm sure it would help out a lot of folks here if you guys could elaborate on why Airnet would not hire you right away.
What's the possibility of many disgruntled regional airline guys swamping airnet with higher qualification resumes in their rush to get out of the regionals?

 

[Guillotine007]

What's the possibility of many disgruntled regional airline guys swamping airnet with higher qualification resumes in their rush to get out of the regionals?

if by higher qualifications you mean "did zero handflying in a glass cockpit the last two years and would never make it out of training"....no, i don't think we get many apps from disgruntled airline guys. But it would be fun to watch them crash repeatedly in the sim.

G007

 

[mcjohn]

Amazing the stuff I learn asking certain questions. How 'bout these glass cockpits? Why would someone be O.K. with letting the plane always fly its' own approaches. I can hardly stand the lack of flying as a CFI. Honestly, do pilots really let their IMC hand flying go to schit by always using auto pilot? I don't know if I believe that. Why would there be more of a tendency to fly auto pilot with a glass cockpit as opposed to auto pilot flying GPS approaches in a standard cockpit?

 

[starchkr]

mcjohn...I hand flew EVERY approach during my 5 and 1/2 years with Airnet, and i was glad i did(except for the required coupled approaches during checkrides). I got pretty good at it, and it really isn't that hard. Sure flying down to 100vv and 1800 RVR sounds pretty hard when you are still young to the industry, but after you do it a few hundred times it sems a little easier...not saying it is a walk in the park or anything, but it does become easier. Now i am learning how when the weather is below a certain RVR or ceiling that i MUST use the autopilot to fly the approach, and even use the autoland if it goes a little further down. What this means is that i will probably never hand fly a really low approach again, dissapointing yes, but i MUST fly the way the company tells me to. I kinda fear that my experience flying those kind of approaches is going to go downhill pretty quick, and that really is something i wish i didn't have to do...but again, I fly the way they tell me to, just like i flew the way Airnet taught me to while i was there.

 

[imacdog]

if by higher qualifications you mean "did zero handflying in a glass cockpit the last two years and would never make it out of training"....no, i don't think we get many apps from disgruntled airline guys. But it would be fun to watch them crash repeatedly in the sim.

G007

We do more hand flying than you think.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Well, I can't speak for airnet or their hiring process. There's no HR interview at FLX. If you can fly the sim, learn the ground school stuff, and fly the airplane (and you aren't obviously a complete jerk), you're hired (my impression anyway). As far as I can tell, the pay is as good as airnet, perhaps better at the start, and although of course you spend 6-8 months on the 210 before you're logging twin time, you work with a good bunch of people and there's a minimum of BS involved. Something to think about anyway. If you're interested give Gary a call (1800OPSKORL ext 610) Good luck.

Boris

 

[Guillotine007]

We do more hand flying than you think

based on your profile...i politefully disagree

 

[imacdog]

based on your profile...i politefully disagree

Not to get into an argument, but if you aren't a regional pilot then how would you know? What amazes me is you see that I am currently flying a CRJ and assume that I'm incapable of the flying that AirNet does. I have flown single pilot part 135 freight in a twin, and of course hand flying was a part of the job. But if you think that because some regional pilots are flying advanced equipment with automation, they couldn't hand-fly an approach in a piston airplane to save their lives, you would be mistaken. Many regional pilots came from what you are doing now, if not another flying job that requires manual flying. If it makes you feel cool to think that your piloting skills as a cargo pilot are superior to other pilots, then more power to you. It just might not be an accurate thought.

 

[starchkr]

I don't want to get into the middle of your pi$$ing contest here guys, but i kinda have to agree with 007...yeah i said it, i have to agree with him, god help me.:laugh:

As a new bus pilot, sorry not a regional pilot, but a little bit bigger, i must say i do not think after flying this way for awhile i would even try a super low appraoch on my own in ANY aircraft. Sure, i might still be able to do it, but the recency will be shot, and my abilities would probably be much less than someone who is doing it every night. So, i must say that yes, the freight dog would most likely be able to fly circles around a glass guy who lets his a/c do most of the flying for him(and yes this includes me now...the a/c doing the flying part at least).

 

[Guillotine007]

my comment was based on your position "furloughed comair"

g007

 

[CheeseDick]

if by higher qualifications you mean "did zero handflying in a glass cockpit the last two years and would never make it out of training"....no, i don't think we get many apps from disgruntled airline guys. But it would be fun to watch them crash repeatedly in the sim.

G007

Why are you so concerned about their ability to hand fly an airplane

I'm pretty sure those disgruntled regional pilots can't even remember how to start a piston engine airplane. making the handflying impossible.

 

[Guillotine007]

the sim isn't hard to start thankfully

 

[CheeseDick]

the sim isn't hard to start thankfully

Yeah but those frascas are touchy. It's probably harder than running a checklist, which is easier than the hand flying that he obviously doesn't do unless we are counting M$FT flight simulator

 

[imacdog]

my comment was based on your position "furloughed comair"

g007

Ah. Classy.

 

[Guillotine007]

the boxes don't care if i'm classy or not

 

[CheeseDick]

they do, however, make you put on protection before handling them. . .unlike those comair FAs

 

[BushwickBill]

Probably none of my business but I'm sure it would help out a lot of folks here if you guys could elaborate on why Airnet would not hire you right away.
What's the possibility of many disgruntled regional airline guys swamping airnet with higher qualification resumes in their rush to get out of the regionals?

Well I was considering going big on this one. Just to make sure other guys have a chance getting in with Airnet. First of all this was my first real aviation interview. I did a lot of things I would have done differently. Just about everything that went wrong was due to me except for a few small things. I don't know what went right during the phone interview process but I was myself and I answered all the questions truthfully. They were all simple and I think there is already a lot of information on this thread about it.

I called them for a follow up and asked if they would like to meet me in person. It seemed that the call (interest) prompted them to say sure come on out for an interview. I had to fly with the airlines to Columbus because I was too far away to get a ride in on the airnet system. The trip cost me about 400 bucks but they said they would pay for 300 of it.

I set the date of the interview because I had to get tickets. I didn't want to waste any time but this was a mistake. I should have waited because I had a trip to Jackson hole and British Columbia with a student. I didn't have much time to prepare for the interview and I was not able to call Airnet about not receiving an email that had some very important documents.

Called Airnet about the email and they sent one to me in about an hour. Too bad that this was less then 24 hours before I left for Columbus. The email contains a huge application that should take a normal person about 3 to 5 hours depending on what kind of records they have kept for the past 10 years! Needless to say filling out the application by hand the night before the interview doesn't yield good results. Also I was not able to study the profile for the sim that came with the email because I was working on the application.

The written test is a piece of cake. However, you have to be careful because the question numbers don't match up with the answer sheet. Pay attention at the beginning of the test and you'll figure it out no problem.

The in person interview is pretty mellow. Criag seems like a nice enough guy. He asked me which light twin I was current in. I should have insisted in answering questions about the CJ1 but I told him I was familiar with the Seminole. Big mistake. I didn't do well on the technical interview. Be sure to be familiar with a light twin even if you have never flown it. Just read up on the engines landing gear and electrical systems and you'll be ok.

The sim ride wasn't great. I never strayed of altitude too far or lost control of the sim but I didn't have my engine shutdown checklists down. I hadn't done enough piston engine out procedures and it showed. If your 1/2 current the rest of the sim ride isn't that bad just keep in mind I got like 4 engine failures. Also the guy conducting the sim ride was a little rude. He started saying something about items that weren't on the checklist. I didn't want to get into it with him because it would be great to work for airnet. Be confident and stick up for yourself.

Not having a flight director wasn't too much of a challenge anyone with a good instrument background and some recent sim time shouldn't have a problem. Going from collins 21 to a frasca 6 pack is a bit of a shocker. I really only messed up one thing I mixed up nav 1 and 2. I think I saw an RNAV radio once before but never got to play around with it. I caught the mistake before it mattered but if anyone really wants a job with these guys get the sim prep the day before. I didn't know it was available and it would have made a huge difference.

Type up your application don't use a pen.

Bring all your documents in a little leather folder. You can get em at walmart for like 2 bucks.

Bring a notepad and a pen. Think of some questions to ask Craig about airnet. Take notes during the presentation.

Show up on time and act interested....

Why they didn't want me I think I know. I wasn't prepared and didn't show my best. Hopefully I can apply again.

 

[osy007]

not quite like that

not quite like that
GREEN MEANS---GO STRAIGHT
YELLOW MEANS--GO STRAIGHT
RED MEANS---TURN THE LIGHTS BRIGHT
PURPLE MEANS---GO AROUND...OR GO STRAIGHT IF YOUR LATE

If you want a job with Airnet, call Washka once a month. Thats how I've been with the net for 6 years. Just tell your want to work for Airnet, and that you want to make sure that we still have your resume.

REMEMBER THIS PEOPLE:

GREEN MEANS GO
YELLOW MEANS MAYBE
RED MEANS NO

you will understand at 2am in the midwest and your radar looks like a watercolor design!

Goodluck!

 

[Guillotine007]

osy is totally right about those colors