Airlines to Fractionals questions

[learflyer]

On a side note, when hired at NJA, are you automatically put on reserve, or can you ask for the 7/7 right off the bat?

 

[imacdog]

That really depends on a few factors, not the least of which is when during the year you get hired. We have four bids per year to change your schedule, and if you get hired at the right time you could theoretically go straight to the line on a 7/7 schedule. Otherwise you will be on reserve until you get released to IOE and can bid a 7/7 schedule. Our next schedule period starts on August 1st, so those finishing with training now are looking at being on reserve until at least then. Once you are on a 7/7 you cannot be bumped off it, and do not need to bid again unless you want to change back to reserve, or change your start day, etc. When you transition aircraft or upgrade you will be put back on reserve until you can bid 7/7 again. The nice thing about being put on reserve automatically is you make reserve pay when in training.

 

[learflyer]

and the reserve is a certain number of on/off days per month? thanks. (i know, could've done a search)

 

[imacdog]

Here's the entire NetJets contract, should you wish to browse the entire document:

http://www.ibt1108.org/public_new-contract.html

On reserve you work a maximum of 18 days per month, with four hard days off that you can bid for. The trip lengths on reserve vary and there are rules for how many days off you get at the end of your reserve trip, depending on how many days you were on the road.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Just to clarify, you will need the ATP, not just the written test, to get hired at NetJets. I think you may already be aware of that requirement, but I just wanted to make sure so that you can plan accordingly.

Good luck and I hope you reach your goal.

All ATPs - worth every penny.

 

[Twotter76]

and the reserve is a certain number of on/off days per month? thanks. (i know, could've done a search)

Nevermind I see someone answered this previously.

 

[Jafo73]

All ATP's for the written. Jon Trask in Presque Isle, Maine for the practical... At least for former military he is definately worth every penny!

 

[starlifter27]

All ATP's for the written. Jon Trask in Presque Isle, Maine for the practical... At least for former military he is definately worth every penny!

He definately is money in the bank, but a couple guys from my unit went up there earlier this spring and apparently he's retiring from the checkride business this summer when the runway up there closes for repaving or something. So get up there while the getting is good. Easiest checkride you'll ever take by far!

 

[glasspilot]

For those that have responded thank you! All the info you've provided has been great, it's nice to post a question and get some good responses. Much different then the ones you get on the regional board.

As of today I don't meet the Min's for most of the fractionals that I would like to apply too, so I'll have to fly for probably another year or so to get my total time up. I've been at PSA for about a year and a half but I've been stuck on reserve (except for a few build up lines) and have only averaged about 40 hours a month. I busted my butt through flight school and flew my butt of flight instructing to get to a regional fast and since I've been here I've mostly been sitting around / getting abused, ha ha!
I figured it doesn't hurt to start researching and planning ahead of time though, and I'd like to thank you all for the advice you have given so far!

If anyone else has any stories please share them, thanks again!

Okay, first; Grammar. "and flew my butt of fligt instructing". I assume you meant you, "flew your butt OFF flight instructing."

That aside. You claim to have "flown your butt off" yet you only have 1,500 hours total time? I'm sorry. I just sense a bit of intitlement. Fly your regional for awhile. Get off your build up / reserve line and get some experiance. I respect the fact that you don't like it right now but hey, you're on reserve! Being junior sucks no matter where you are. Get some stick time, LEARN, and then assess where you want to go.

Flame Disclaimer: I know, I jumped right on this guy. However, with his super low time I feel there are MUCH better qualified pilots at the regionals to decide that they don't like it and decide to come on over to the fracs. Let him get some experiance at the new job he has and then decide if he likes it or not.

 

[CA1900]

Okay, first; Grammar.

Grammar shouldn't be capitalized. -2 Sentence fragment. -2.

"and flew my butt of fligt instructing".

"Fligt" isn't a word, and the period goes inside the quotation marks. -4

I assume you meant you, "flew your butt OFF flight instructing."

Improper use of comma. -2

That aside.

Sentence fragment. -2

I just sense a bit of intitlement.

The word is entitlement. -2

...get some experiance.

The word is experience. -2



You get a solid "B," but you had better work on that if you're going to take the reigns as resident grammar-Nazi.

 

[learflyer]

Good $hit!!

 

[glasspilot]

You get a solid "B," but you had better work on that if you're going to take the reigns as resident grammar-Nazi.

But I didn't notice any of those mistakes!


I have to admit to a bout of drinking and posting. Sorry, it happens...

 

[pilotpat]

glass - drinking and posting is against the law in some states. Make sure you're careful out there.

At hand, though, this guy says he's been at PSA for a year and a half, but on reserve with no line to fly and 40 hours/month. I can understand why he's not that happy. Also, he only has 1500 hours. He can't apply to most of the fracs until the magic 2500 hours and ATP, so he'll get the experience of another 1000 hours before he's even eligible.

BTW, CA - that was a funny f'ng post. Sorry, glass...it was pretty funny.

 

[Guitar Guy]

At hand, though, this guy says he's been at PSA for a year and a half, but on reserve with no line to fly and 40 hours/month. I can understand why he's not that happy. Also, he only has 1500 hours. He can't apply to most of the fracs until the magic 2500 hours and ATP, so he'll get the experience of another 1000 hours before he's even eligible.

If he's stuck on reserve indefinitely and only logging 40 hours per month, he might need about 25 months (just over 2 years) to get to the "magic" 2500-hour mark.

 

[LyodChristmas]

Okay, first; Grammar. "and flew my butt of fligt instructing". I assume you meant you, "flew your butt OFF flight instructing."

That aside. You claim to have "flown your butt off" yet you only have 1,500 hours total time? I'm sorry. I just sense a bit of intitlement. Fly your regional for awhile. Get off your build up / reserve line and get some experiance. I respect the fact that you don't like it right now but hey, you're on reserve! Being junior sucks no matter where you are. Get some stick time, LEARN, and then assess where you want to go.

Flame Disclaimer: I know, I jumped right on this guy. However, with his super low time I feel there are MUCH better qualified pilots at the regionals to decide that they don't like it and decide to come on over to the fracs. Let him get some experiance at the new job he has and then decide if he likes it or not.

FIRST! Why don't you go back to the shed with the rest of the tools!

Sorry I forgot the F in "OFF" but I have an F for you right now "go F yourself"

Do you have nothing better to do then get on here and try and make yourself feel all big and bad because you have more hours then me?

Dude check the previous posts... I know I don't have the time/experience to even apply... I was the first to say it!

Second @sshole, I'm not someone that needs to sit in my current position for years on end to be able to have the common sense to say "this is a crap job"

Come work over at PSA for a few months, and see what you think of the place.

Just another quick example: The most senior line either has 14 or 15 days off but if you want weekends off forget those lines, to get all weekends you need to bid a line with around 12 days off. How do you think the guys that have been here for 15 year (why I have no idea but there are lifers) feel about the company building the lines like that. That is just a small example of the crap that goes on over here.

The list goes on and on... As far as regionals go this is one of the worst. AND trust me I know they all suck but this is worse then what most of my friends at others have had to put up with.

* Super low time - Flew my ass off - I know I'm not intitled to anything, I'm on here asking questions to come up with some GOALS! I did fly my ass off, maybe it wasen't for the amount of years you approve of, and maybe you're just bitter because you had to fly your ass off for longer, but I did fly my ass off for awhile. And that was not my point. My point was that I was making good progress but ever since I got to PSA I've been moving at a snails pace.

Just for your Info: I went to all ATP's with zero time. and finished all my ratings (multi engine instrument instuctor) in 5 months. Flew evvery (go on tell me there are too many V's) day and sometimes twice a day to get done quickly. Had two months off after I finished then got the call to come instruct for them. Flew 100 hours a month instructing and got hired at PSA 14 months after I started my first day at ATP. So if thats not busting my butt to get to my goal then I don't know what is!

Say what you want about the school or about how low mins are to get hired at a regional, times have changed and thats what the market is right now... The point is I knew the goal and I did what it took to get there as quickly as possible.

- and as for spell checking? I really have better things to do then to sit here and spell check for losers like you!

- Maybe I'll see you online someday and we can chat about how you get off on slaming people on flight info, or maybe you can complain to me about how you never get laid... or you could show me your terrible stick skills, because I seem to find the guys with the biggest mouths are the ones that can't hold their own in the cockpit.

Thanks for turning this thread into a Sh!t show Gl-asspilot!


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