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By Henry Samuel in Paris
Saturday January 23 2010

American airline Continental will challenge the cause of the Concorde crash which killed 113 people in 2000, when it faces manslaughter charges next month.
The airline, two of its staff and three others are due to stand trial in France on February 2 over the disaster near Charles de Gaulle airport outside Paris. Investigators have concluded that a titanium strip left on the runway from a Continental plane cause the crash.
It is thought the 17in (43.5cm) 'wear strip' attached to the interior casing of an engine shredded a tyre on the Air France Concorde as it was taking off. Tyre fragments then punctured the supersonic aircraft's fuel tanks, with the plane bursting into flames and crashing, investigators believe.
The German-chartered Concorde had taken off just after a Continental DC10 departed for Houston. Yesterday, Continental said it had evidence corroborated by 28 witnesses, including pilots and firemen, to show that "neither Continental nor its employees were responsible for the accident.
"It will show that there was a fire on the Concorde before it reached the point on the runway where it supposedly rolled over the wear strip, and that a series of issues relating to the Concorde itself and its abnormal operation that day made the accident unavoidable".
A source close to the inquiry said the witnesses cited by Continental had already been questioned and their version of events rejected by many other witnesses. The investigation was, according to the prosecution, based on indisputable technical evidence.
Continental's lawyer, Olivier Metzner, said: "The version of these witnesses was troubling.
"The fire on the Concorde began eight seconds before it met this (metal) strip on the runway, 700 metres before contact with this part," he alleged.
He claimed the plane's tyre may have burst due to an uneven runway.
Among those facing manslaughter charges are a mechanic and maintenance official with Continental Airlines, two Concorde officials working for Aerospatiale and a former member of the French civil aviation authority. (© Daily Telegraph, London)
- Henry Samuel in Paris
Irish Independent
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/airline-to-dispute-concorde-crash-cause-2028698.html
 
It's an absolute travesty of their legal system that this is just now coming to trial almost eleven frick'in years after the fact.
 
What's amazing with France, is that can make it fantasy land for Roman Polanski over all the years, but bring manslaughter charges even though the Concorde was not designed properly to handle a small strip of FOD.
 
the french dont take responsibility. AF447 - never wanted to find the boxes, either.
 
What's amazing with France, is that can make it fantasy land for Roman Polanski over all the years, but bring manslaughter charges even though the Concorde was not designed properly to handle a small strip of FOD.

They forgot to mention a required runway sweep was not done, there was a spacer missing on one of the landing gear assemblies, and they were over weight for the runway and wind. Why let facts get in the way.
 
The French are the French and they absolutely deserve this ridicule... But let's also not forget that if it weren't for French, there would be no United States of America...
 
The French are the French and they absolutely deserve this ridicule... But let's also not forget that if it weren't for French, there would be no United States of America...

True statement. I think that dept was repaid in WWI and WWII though.
 
Did any agency, French or American, ever try to reproduce the event? If you can "shread" an aircraft tire with a wear strip, then aircraft tires should be popping and bursting every day around the world.
 
How'd you like to be the Mechanic on trial for manslaughter!!! Why does he have to stand trial in France? How can they make him go?
 
They forgot to mention a required runway sweep was not done, there was a spacer missing on one of the landing gear assemblies, and they were over weight for the runway and wind. Why let facts get in the way.

I seem to remember from an Aviation Week article that the missing spacer figured into why the Concorde was already deviating off runway centerline at that point(far enough to hit the metal strip), and that they'd have missed it had they been on centerline....
 
I seem to remember from an Aviation Week article that the missing spacer figured into why the Concorde was already deviating off runway centerline at that point(far enough to hit the metal strip), and that they'd have missed it had they been on centerline....

I remember discussion about this spacer in a couple documentaries as well... there was speculation without it (the spacer) that the wheel truck would be allowed to twist back and forth, however slightly, still enough to strain the sidewalls of the tires and weaken them over time.
 
If a plane can't withstand a shredded tire during takeoff without it becoming catastrophic then it is no one's fault but the manufacturer and operator of the plane.
 
The French are the French and they absolutely deserve this ridicule... But let's also not forget that if it weren't for French, there would be no United States of America...

Frak that. That was at least five French governments ago, and the folks who actually helped us out in the 1780's all had their necks on the block within a decade, put there by their own people. Besides that, we've given more to them over the years than they can ever repay - in dollars, lives and sheer forbearance in not kicking their pathetic a$$es for just being obnoxious, arrogant pricks.
 
This trial is in France? RU kidding me???? So an American A&P is gonna stand trial for manslaughter in France? You guys don't have a sack if you're not outraged by this! I don't care how many medals you have, or what rank you were attained. You just don't get it if this is okay with you. What happened to American sovereignty?
 
This trial is in France? RU kidding me???? So an American A&P is gonna stand trial for manslaughter in France? You guys don't have a sack if you're not outraged by this! I don't care how many medals you have, or what rank you were attained. You just don't get it if this is okay with you. What happened to American sovereignty?

Have you seen who the president is?
 
Don't think that's a dig against me, OPEC. (24 of 25 African Americans voted for Obama. I am the other 1.) This, and the Navy SEAL issue has me infuriated. I'm just wondering how many of these retired-military ALPA guys are going to join the cause for their country!
 
Frak that. That was at least five French governments ago, and the folks who actually helped us out in the 1780's all had their necks on the block within a decade, put there by their own people. Besides that, we've given more to them over the years than they can ever repay - in dollars, lives and sheer forbearance in not kicking their pathetic a$$es for just being obnoxious, arrogant pricks.
What kind of weed were you smokin', holmes?

This trial is in France? RU kidding me???? So an American A&P is gonna stand trial for manslaughter in France? You guys don't have a sack if you're not outraged by this! I don't care how many medals you have, or what rank you were attained. You just don't get it if this is okay with you. What happened to American sovereignty?
Couple of things here that left me with more questions than answers... Does the article say that the Continental A&P is a US Citizen? If MX had been done in CDG, it could very well be that the person is actually a French citizen. I also remember reading on Flight International (can't find the article right now) that the Mx procedure on the CO DC-10 was not FAA approved (again, cannot confirm or deny). In addition after reading the article, it seems that the French jurisdiction goes after their own as well.

I am not a fan of law suits and this trial is bound to get dirty and stir up some old resentments. Am just tired of immature xenophobia.
 
What kind of weed were you smokin', holmes?

Couple of things here that left me with more questions than answers... Does the article say that the Continental A&P is a US Citizen? If MX had been done in CDG, it could very well be that the person is actually a French citizen. I also remember reading on Flight International (can't find the article right now) that the Mx procedure on the CO DC-10 was not FAA approved (again, cannot confirm or deny). In addition after reading the article, it seems that the French jurisdiction goes after their own as well.

I am not a fan of law suits and this trial is bound to get dirty and stir up some old resentments. Am just tired of immature xenophobia.

The strip was put on in IAH and no one from IAH is going to be traveling to France to stand trial for manslaughter any time soon. The blame for this accident rests solely on the poor design of the airplane, not to mention the circumstances leading up to it which also contributed. The wear strip was a tiny part of those circumstances, most of them are on the French government and Air France.

They had an almost exact replica of this accident years ago in IAD and put a band aid on the airplane. The longer the French drag this out, the dumber they look.
 
The Mechanic isn't going over to France to stand trial. I believe the state department or some other government agency told him not to leave the country a few years ago. Guess they didn't want him to get picked up and extradited in another country.
 
Did any agency, French or American, ever try to reproduce the event? If you can "shread" an aircraft tire with a wear strip, then aircraft tires should be popping and bursting every day around the world.
And if there was no USA, there would be no France, twice over in fact.
 
Don't think that's a dig against me, OPEC. (24 of 25 African Americans voted for Obama. I am the other 1.) This, and the Navy SEAL issue has me infuriated. I'm just wondering how many of these retired-military ALPA guys are going to join the cause for their country!

Of course it wasn't a dig. How was anyone supposed to know you were African American anyway?
 

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