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Dennis Miller

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I'm also filing a lawsuit against Telemundo because I don't know what the f*ck they are saying.


Sanford-based airline accused of discrimination

By LYDA LONGA
Staff Writer


DELTONA -- The Volusia County Hispanic Association has filed a complaint against PanAm Airways, alleging the carrier discriminates against Hispanics who use the airline's Sanford-to-San Juan service.

Association President Zenaida Denizac said she sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Transportation in late April after fielding complaints from at least three dozen Hispanics who use PanAm's service from Orlando-Sanford International Airport to the San Juan International Airport in Puerto Rico.

The complainants told Denizac of frequent three- and four-hour delays every time they fly that route. Federal regulators couldn't confirm the long waits, but said delays of more than an hour are unusual. Denizac said members of her association feel the airline would provide better service if they were not Hispanic.

"This would not be happening if we were Anglos," Denizac said. "PanAm is trying to lift its business off the backs of Hispanics. I have flown other airlines to San Juan, and I have never experienced such horrible delays."

PanAm officials did not return repeated telephone calls for this story. The New Hampshire-based airline averages about four flights a day from the Sanford airport. The number of flights to San Juan varies weekly.

Sanford Airport Authority President Larry Dale was aware of the association's complaints but said he had not heard similar comments from other travelers.

"The delays are not intentional, of course," Dale said. "They are due to mechanical problems or weather. No airline wants to fly with delays."

Department of Transportation officials in Washington had received Denizac's complaint by last week but would not say whether there would be an investigation. DOT spokesman Bill Mosley said the federal agency monitors the flight delays of only the country's largest airlines, and PanAm is not one of them.

"They're not even required to report their delays to us," Mosley said. "But three- and four-hour delays are too long. The worst delays we saw in the month of April belonged to one airline that reported the waiting times were between 28 and 47 minutes."

The country's top 10 carriers reported arriving on time 82.6 percent of the time in April, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. The agency also reported 18 complaints of discrimination against the largest carriers.

Denizac, who has been president of the Hispanic Association since January, has experienced the delays firsthand. She and her husband fly to San Juan at least three times a year. They like to use the Sanford airport because it offers direct flights and is close to their Deltona home.

Travelers could choose to fly out of Daytona Beach or Orlando instead. If they fly from Orlando International Airport, though, flights to San Juan may be cheaper but are not always direct. One route, for instance, would take travelers as far away as Philadelphia, making the normally two-hour journey last 16 hours.

Flying out of Daytona Beach is even more arduous. One option would take 18 hours, leading travelers through Atlanta and Fort Lauderdale before finally landing in San Juan.

Despite the marathon flight times from other airports, the PanAm delays have given Denizac and others second thoughts about using the Sanford airport.

Frequent traveler Israel Lopez vows he will no longer fly PanAm.

"These delays are not the exception, they're the norm," said the Winter Springs resident, who has used PanAm five times to fly from Sanford to San Juan. "I've had problems on three flights. We are talking delays of over four hours." However, the group did not discuss the possibility that other airlines were just more efficient.
 
"This would not be happening if we were Anglos,"

Geeeeezus CHRIST ... this is so incredibly asinine.

Minh
 
"Flying out of Daytona Beach is even more arduous. One option would take 18 hours, leading travelers through Atlanta and Fort Lauderdale before finally landing in San Juan."

So? Maybe the DAB-SJU market isn't there. That's how the hub and spoke system works. If there is enough demand, anyone is welcome to obtain the necessary approvals, start it up and give it a try. Drive the hour to MCO or SFB. On I-4, Deltona is practically just as close to any of the 3 anyway. This is definitely a frivoulous lawsuit.
 
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The complainants told Denizac of frequent three- and four-hour delays every time they fly that route. Federal regulators couldn't confirm the long waits, but said delays of more than an hour are unusual. Denizac said members of her association feel the airline would provide better service if they were not Hispanic.

"This would not be happening if we were Anglos,"

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Manana!
 
Still laughing....

B190,

"Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

That is one of the funniest things I have ever seen! Thanks for keeping it light, brother.

Duke
 
I'm gonna get flamed for this, but oh well. This is what Affimative Action does to people. It hardwires them with a victim mentality for the rest of their lives. "My life is hard because I have purple skin, woe is me...." No, your life is hard because you are a human. Welcome to the club, 6 billion-strong and growing.
 
Cardinal,

No flame intended.

Kinda didn't get your point with regards to affirmative action and how it relates to this case. The two seem completely seperate, they claim that it is discriminatory for their flights to always be hours late, I don't know how but that's their claim. Affirmative action was created to level the playing field for all races and sexes. I may have missed your point all together, it's late and the words seem to run together.

WD
 
You know the really sad thing is that PanAm will probably pay off this group ("settle the claim") rather than challenge it in court. When these stupid complaints actually get money, it just encourages more of them.
 
pan am discrimination?

Having worked at Pan Am I can state with almost 100% certainty
that Pan AM would not descriminate against Hispanics. Pan AM
screws all entities it deals with( employees, Passengers, vendors
regardless of race, gender, national origin etc. I was deadheading
on a flight when the VP of Flight ops and the President of the company showed up at the gate in Portsmouth and directed the scheduled flight to Sanford to make an unscheduled stop in Pittsburgh to drop off some parts for a grounded aircraft there.

As I recall the ethnic, gender, racial mix of that flight was mostly
white anglo , mixed gender and needless to say they were all
late getting into Sanford that day. Chock that one up for equal rights!


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Wiskey Driver said:
Cardinal,

No flame intended.

Kinda didn't get your point with regards to affirmative action and how it relates to this case. The two seem completely seperate, they claim that it is discriminatory for their flights to always be hours late, I don't know how but that's their claim. Affirmative action was created to level the playing field for all races and sexes. I may have missed your point all together, it's late and the words seem to run together.

WD

I'm not really saying that that the two issues are directly connected. It just seems that some of the attitudes and assumptions cultivated by the affirmative action movement can similarly breed distorted thinking that leads to complaints like this one. The message from childhood onward seems to be that "you are a minority, your life is harder than everyone else's." Then when it comes time for higher education and employment the message becomes "we know you're a minority and we're working hard to right all the wrong that has been done to you" these messages fit together nicely and we then have individuals that have been programmed - have been educated to be - victims. That mentality shows up in uncomfortable or stessful situations, and despite the myriad factors that could have made those aircraft late, instead it's "the white man holding us down." Is that a little clearer?
 
Cardinal said:
I'm not really saying that that the two issues are directly connected. It just seems that some of the attitudes and assumptions cultivated by the affirmative action movement can similarly breed distorted thinking that leads to complaints like this one. The message from childhood onward seems to be that "you are a minority, your life is harder than everyone else's." Then when it comes time for higher education and employment the message becomes "we know you're a minority and we're working hard to right all the wrong that has been done to you" these messages fit together nicely and we then have individuals that have been programmed - have been educated to be - victims. That mentality shows up in uncomfortable or stessful situations, and despite the myriad factors that could have made those aircraft late, instead it's "the white man holding us down." Is that a little clearer?

No, your point itself was clear, I just could not understand your coralation between the two. Now as for the whole "white man holding us down" thing, I think that in today's society it's much less in your face and much more behind the scenes.

WD.
 

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