Airline Mergers!

[General Lee]

General,

I have to say that your posts are among the most ego-centric I have read... You logic is flawed son. Your cited articles are theories only, not scientific fact. Do yourself a favor and take a look at all of the miss-diagnosed certainties of past surrounding this industry. The list is EXTREME to say the least. DAL is most definitely NOT in the driver seat at this time, and is by all accounts late with their merger rhetoric. All DAL has accomplished to this point is stating that they see a need for consolidation and have a Wish List. Thats it!

Talk of breaking up airlines is WILDLY SPECULATIVE. Especially when you forget that the UAL route structure is Globally superior to any existing carrier today, and to the very least certainly that of DAL. Speculatively, if a UAL/DAL thing had to happen, it would seem to me that the carrier with the better global structure would remain the most intact.

As an add-on, I have to laugh out loud every time you tout that the Delta name would prevail because "my CEO said so." We all know THEY would NEVER go back on their word. Take it for what it is, a rallying cry. An attempt to get the troops on board with managements direction. Your making more of it than is reasonable.

Believe me, UA, CA, NW and others have their own itinerary which may or may not be aligned with that of DAL. And Delta may find themselves in in dire straights as AA/NW and UA/CA merge. Only one thing is certain as far as I'm concerned, the Pacific heavy hitters will be involved one way or another if this is to happen. Where does that leave DAL?

Thanks Dad for that diatribe......? Delta is in the drivers seat, and if you don't believe the articles out there, then bring something that proves your points. You can't. I know these writers are subjective sometimes, but they know a lot more of what is happening than you and I. I think you should write emails to those authors and tell them they ARE DREAMING!! Yeah, that's the ticket. They will laugh in your face and delete your mail fast.

As far as United breaking up, I posted that was a rumor I heard from an actual United pilot. And you think United has a better financial picture than Delta? Are you crazy? They did a terrible job in BK getting costs under control, and they have a leader who wants out. They have no plan, and no future orders. They have two hubs (ORD and DEN) that are consistantly closed during bad weather, and they had a terrible holiday season with huge cancellations due to lack of crews, which they blamed on WX. They have no credibility with their own employees, and their customers are ready to go elsewhere, if they can. Sounds wonderful.

And, it is great that you "laugh out loud" every time you see our DL CEO stating we will keep the name of our newly merged carrier if it happens. Hey, it is printed that way, and to say he is lying is saying the author misquoted him. Was he misquoted? To say you know otherwise is really laughable. Only he knows what will happen, and he stated it in the press. You can laugh at me about that, but it is in writing, and you have NOTHING to support that NOT happening. Nothing. If someone asked what a potential name would be--we can point to something tangible (an actual quote) and say "well, he thinks it will stay Delta." You can't say anything otherwise, because you have NOTHING in writing backing you and your silly notion up. Until he says otherwise, we have to think he will go that way. Prove your notion, if you can. (you can't)


AA and NW? Ever thought about which large hub in the Midwest WILL GO if that happens? MSP, ORD, and DTW. Pick one. There would NOT be three large hubs all next to each other. Go ahead smart guy, tell me. It won't happen--too many jobs lost, and the local politicians will be all over that. Even that Credit Suisse analyst said that would be detrimental to AA eventually if that ever happened.

You seem to zero in on the Asia Pacific routes, as if they are the ultimate thing out there. They are nice, and we are adding routes there as fast as we can. But, you seem to forget we at Delta rule the Atlantic, carrying more people across than any carrier (CAL has mostly 757s, while we have mostly widebodies, hence we carry more pax). We also are the only American airline going to Africa, and we are second behind AA going to South America, with a better hub in ATL for connecting (without having to speak Spanish in Miami). We added 50 INTL cities last year alone, and go to Dubai and Mumbai too---both lucrative routes. How about Johanesburg? Ever heard of that? Do you really think we are a regional airline? We also go to Tokyo, Seoul, and soon Shanghai. We are getting more 777 LRs, and we now have rights to Singapore, New Zealand, and Samoa. (Australia is a good bet with current open skies negotiations with that country). If NWA or UAL don't work out, we will probably add service to many places in Asia anyway. You need to really think more before you post. You aren't even close to reality, dad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Nobody knew who Delta was in 1991 when Delta Acquired the Pan Am routes for a way bigger price tag than they were worth. Now Delta is a leader across the Atlantic and ALOT OF PEOPLE KNOW DELTA all over Europe. So the name thing could go either way but I would say the Delta brand may edge the NWA brand out. It could go the other way however just as people have stated that if it were United and Delta, Delta would lose the name. However I think the management at DL will negotiate to keep the DL name. Just my opinion

Northwest's employees HATE their management. Who would they want to keep if DL acquired them? I bet Delta's. United's management wants OUT. So, who would lead that potential acquisition? Delta. If we had the management, what do you think our management would want to call the airline? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jmoney]

Hmmmmmm

Northwest's employees HATE their management. Who would they want to keep if DL acquired them? I bet Delta's. United's management wants OUT. So, who would lead that potential acquisition? Delta. If we had the management, what do you think our management would want to call the airline? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'll bet they would call it:

GeneralLeeisafreakinghowlatthemoonpsychofreakshowlines

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Northwest's employees HATE their management. Who would they want to keep if DL acquired them? I bet Delta's. United's management wants OUT. So, who would lead that potential acquisition? Delta. If we had the management, what do you think our management would want to call the airline? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I swear, I think they have some sort of "Stepford Wives" thing going on over there on Virginia Ave. I think the lobotomy must be scheduled in indoc somewhere between "How to button a double breasted coat" and "How to walk like you have a broom handle stuck up your butt". For a group of guys who have seen a long string of bad management teams (up to, but most definitely not including, Grinstein), you put way way too much faith in your leadership. You might want to research Anderson's resume a little before you decide to put all your eggs in that particular basket. If you honestly think Mr. Anderson wouldn't sell you down the river for one iota of increased value to the shareholders or an extra million or two in his own pocket, you really learned nothing from the Ron Allens and Leo Mullins of the world.

 

[IronCityBlue]

we are watching the current open skies talks with Australia going on right now.
Bye Bye--General Lee

What is the carrot for those? We maybe get a few more routes there, and in exchange they get the right to hop scotch all over our country? Hardly worth it just for a couple AUssie routes. And if they dangle the ability for us to hopscotch their country, well, what a friggin joke that is. They get to raid our city pairs and we get to go between Sydney and Perth? What a rip off. What could they possibly be offering, and what would they want to get it? I don't like the sound of those talks.

 

[Old School]

The name of any merged airline is going to be the one that marketing feels will make the most money.

 

[General Lee]

I swear, I think they have some sort of "Stepford Wives" thing going on over there on Virginia Ave. I think the lobotomy must be scheduled in indoc somewhere between "How to button a double breasted coat" and "How to walk like you have a broom handle stuck up your butt". For a group of guys who have seen a long string of bad management teams (up to, but most definitely not including, Grinstein), you put way way too much faith in your leadership. You might want to research Anderson's resume a little before you decide to put all your eggs in that particular basket. If you honestly think Mr. Anderson wouldn't sell you down the river for one iota of increased value to the shareholders or an extra million or two in his own pocket, you really learned nothing from the Ron Allens and Leo Mullins of the world.

Yes, we have had some bad management, but overall, we have one major union. One. Is that because everyone else is ignorant? No, they treat the ATL people nice enough to get 51% of the vote each time a union vote comes up (atleast on the stew side). Overall, our employees trust our management. (I didn't say the pilots believe that) ALL OF NORTHWEST'S EMPLOYEES HATE NWA MANAGEMENT. How many times have they struck or threatened to strike?

So, based on the above which is undeniable, then how would the NWA employees like to have their own management replaced? I bet they would. But, you don't think so?? Okay then.

And, Anderson is an enigma for us since he is new. We have heard from more than one source that he is "fair." He obviously is an airline guy (leaving United Healthcare), which is better than Leo Mullin, who was a banker. Ron Allen was a ramper that moved up to CEO. Anderson may be tough as nails and an ex-Lorenzo counsel, but he has yet to screw us over. I guess there always could be a first time, just like when you eventually kiss a girl.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[123]

But, you seem to forget we at Delta rule the Atlantic, carrying more people across than any carrier (CAL has mostly 757s, while we have mostly widebodies, hence we carry more pax).

Bye Bye--General Lee

I got it now.....you drive a BIG truck too, don't you:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

What is the carrot for those? We maybe get a few more routes there, and in exchange they get the right to hop scotch all over our country? Hardly worth it just for a couple AUssie routes. And if they dangle the ability for us to hopscotch their country, well, what a friggin joke that is. They get to raid our city pairs and we get to go between Sydney and Perth? What a rip off. What could they possibly be offering, and what would they want to get it? I don't like the sound of those talks.

Well, of course we won't agree to that, but that was the same type of bargaining the EU tried before they agreed to the current Open Skies agreement--which helped all of the legacies get into LHR. Right now three airlines from Australia go to the US or are applying to: Jetstar (Melbourne to Honolulu on A330s), Qantas, and Virgin Blue (or just called Blue--flying 777-300ERs upcoming). Just as United flies intra Australia right now--Sydney onto Melbourne, originating in LAX---Qantas flies from LAX onto JFK, originating in SYD. I have a feeling the Open Skies talks will turn to "let's get more people flying from the US to Australia--period."


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I got it now.....you drive a BIG truck too, don't you:laugh:

Yes, yes I do, and maybe a 747 sooner than later. Can't wait.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'll bet they would call it:

GeneralLeeisafreakinghowlatthemoonpsychofreakshowlines

Is that how they say "Me so horny" in Valdosta speak? You would know.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[123]

Yes, we have had some bad management, but overall, we have one major union. One. Is that because everyone else is ignorant? No, they treat the ATL people nice enough to get 51% of the vote each time a union vote comes up (atleast on the stew side). Overall, our employees trust our management. (I didn't say the pilots believe that)

Is this supposed to be a back-handed put down of the rest of the DAL employees or does management treat all the non-union employees better than the pilots.

ALL OF NORTHWEST'S EMPLOYEES HATE NWA MANAGEMENT. How many times have they struck or threatened to strike?

Hate is an awfully powerful word, and no, I don't HATE management. Now, distrust....

So, based on the above which is undeniable, then how would the NWA employees like to have their own management replaced? I bet they would. But, you don't think so?? Okay then.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I think there are a handful in the upper management ranks whose departure would be welcome news. I am not so sure however, that we really want to have our old management back (you know, all the ones that are over at DAL now).

 

[FmrFreightDog]

So, based on the above which is undeniable, then how would the NWA employees like to have their own management replaced? I bet they would. But, you don't think so?? Okay then.

True, NWA employees are quick to bash their management team. However, if you want to bring your holier than thou attitude to the table when you step in their backyard, I think you'll find that they will circle the wagons against a perceived outside threat so fast it will make your head spin.

I guess there always could be a first time, just like when you eventually kiss a girl.

Now, see, that's just ugly. Was I ugly? No, I wasn't. But you just had to go the traditional "General Lee" route. True, I made that Stepford Wives comment, but I think it's largely accurate. However, I will gladly stoop to your level....

First of all, thirteen year old Thai boys do not qualify as a girl even if they are wearing a dress, so you don't get to count them when you tally up the girls you've kissed.

Second of all, I did kiss a girl once. I managed to kiss my wife somewhere in the process of impregnating her with my son... something you have, as of yet, failed to accomplish, judging by some of your previous posts. Better luck next time though.

On second thought, don't worry too much about it. I imagine someone else will take care of that for you while you're sitting in a hotel in Lagos for 48 hours. Who knows?? Might even be a Northwest pilot!

I have a question. Exactly how many times did you have to get your ass kicked when you were growing up to turn into the very very small man that you are today? Or were you just born an ass?

 

[IronCityBlue]

Qantas flies between JFK and LAX, but they can't pick up and drop off new people between the two, can they? I don't think they can. Likewise, United can't pick up and drop people off between Sydney and Melbourne, right? So if the Aussie "open skies" is really just a marketing gimmick to encourage more US-Aussie flying, fine. But there is nothing they have or can offer to make cabotage worth it for us. I hope that's not in the discussion.

 

[Flying the Line]

1. Why buy now...its cheaper when they (whoever that may be) are in bankrupcy.

2. Higher fuel will mean a reduction in expenses...what costs more to operate a CRJ or md-80/737.

Think of how many RJ's the combined DAL/UAL could park.

It's a slam dunk.

 

[Deadalus]

What a mess that would be.

Bye Bye--General Lee

It sure would be. I'd bet that if it looked like a US/NWA merger was in the works the NW pilots would do everything in their power to avoid dealing with the Easties. You just know they'd be trying to staple the NW guys to the end of our list. The United guys already know what it's like to deal with the Easties. They'd be pounding on your door saying, "Delta pleaaaasssssseeeeee buy us!!!"

 

[General Lee]

True, NWA employees are quick to bash their management team. However, if you want to bring your holier than thou attitude to the table when you step in their backyard, I think you'll find that they will circle the wagons against a perceived outside threat so fast it will make your head spin.



Now, see, that's just ugly. Was I ugly? No, I wasn't. But you just had to go the traditional "General Lee" route. True, I made that Stepford Wives comment, but I think it's largely accurate. However, I will gladly stoop to your level....

First of all, thirteen year old Thai boys do not qualify as a girl even if they are wearing a dress, so you don't get to count them when you tally up the girls you've kissed.

Second of all, I did kiss a girl once. I managed to kiss my wife somewhere in the process of impregnating her with my son... something you have, as of yet, failed to accomplish, judging by some of your previous posts. Better luck next time though.

On second thought, don't worry too much about it. I imagine someone else will take care of that for you while you're sitting in a hotel in Lagos for 48 hours. Who knows?? Might even be a Northwest pilot!

I have a question. Exactly how many times did you have to get your ass kicked when you were growing up to turn into the very very small man that you are today? Or were you just born an ass?

You weren't ugly? Didn't you say something about walking with a broom stick up your butt? I think you did Elmer Fudd. Thirteen year old Thai boys? How can I see them, we don't go to ASIA, remember?????? Ha ha ha ha! You have NO CLUE what you are talking about with me and my family life. Ever wonder why I am up so late at night? I don't really have to share with you why, though--and it is not looking at Thai boys--or whatever else your sick mind comes up with. And, I am too senior to go to Lagos. Nah, I bid what I want, and get it. I don't try to be an arse, but many think so when they turn frustrated at my genius. People resort to slams when they cannot debate me. It happens all of the time. You are the latest example.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Is this supposed to be a back-handed put down of the rest of the DAL employees or does management treat all the non-union employees better than the pilots.



Hate is an awfully powerful word, and no, I don't HATE management. Now, distrust....



I think there are a handful in the upper management ranks whose departure would be welcome news. I am not so sure however, that we really want to have our old management back (you know, all the ones that are over at DAL now).

No, I did not slam the rest of the DL employees. The ones in ATL are treated better than the ones in the outer bases, and they tend to vote down unions. It is a numbers thing--get 51% to love you, and no union.

I would guess many people at NWA HATE Steenland, and don't trust him. Look at the NWA Flight Attendants today putting out a press release slamming him for lack of communication.

As far as the number of NWA managment people here at DL now, I count two--Anderson and the new VP of Flight Ops--who ran Krispy Kreem and Greyhound in between I think. The CFO at DL , Ed Bastain, was promoted to President and CFO, and the Chairman of the board is still the same. The Board of Directors has changed a lot too since BK. I think there is some NWA influence in upper levels though, and that would be good if we actually buy them.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

1. Why buy now...its cheaper when they (whoever that may be) are in bankrupcy.

2. Higher fuel will mean a reduction in expenses...what costs more to operate a CRJ or md-80/737.

Think of how many RJ's the combined DAL/UAL could park.

It's a slam dunk.

A lot of the above post is confusing. DL would probably like to buy NWA, and they just came out of BK. They would make a good addition because they cleaned themselves up in BK. Higher fuel and RJs don't work. You can't spread out the costs to cover the high fuel in only 50 seats. That is why they are being parked. And, NWA has a lot of RJs too, and many of them could be parked in MEM if that hub is downsized. In a NWA/DL combo, CVG and MEM are likely to be downsized. With a UAL/DL combo--there are questions about IAD next to JFK, ORD next to CVG, and SLC next to DEN, along with joint operations at LAX that currently have many redundant city pairs. Gordon Bafoon doesn't tell you that in his Pardus press releases...

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Flying the Line]

My point was a DAL/UAL combination could run an all mainline service in ORD while being much smaller in CVG, same with SLC/DEN...ATL/IAD/JFK.

That seems to me to be an "economies of scale" airline more than DAL/NWA.

Simply my opinion.

 

[General Lee]

My point was a DAL/UAL combination could run an all mainline service in ORD while being much smaller in CVG, same with SLC/DEN...ATL/IAD/JFK.

That seems to me to be an "economies of scale" airline more than DAL/NWA.

Simply my opinion.

I understand you. Goldman Sachs I believe said there would almost be a tie with savings per year with both airlines combined with DL, (around $850 million a year in savings), so I think it next comes down to Alliances. The SkyTeam seems to be the better choice since DL was a founding member, and NWA is a member too---and UAL is a founding member of Star Alliance. That may help make the decision.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CAL EWR B737]

General,

Question. How much time do you spend typing on this board a day, week, month and year? You seem to be a bright, and motivated individual, why not put your intensity to good use? I know your SPC just activated their strike center why not volunteer some of your time to serve your fellow pilots. I am sure you are fully aware that due to the DAL SPC being activated and being so effective is one of the reasons why the US AIRWAYS deal fell apart? With all the talk of mergers I can tell you this, your MEC has mandated that DAL ALPA will be an active part of any merger/acquisition deals. Why not be a part of the solution instead of all the speculating?

I have worked with Mike Donatelli (sp?) and even though he is the National SPSC Chairman I know he could put you to good use in the DAL SPC. However I do know that most SPC's have a hard on for no message board posting and that might be to much of an addiction for you to break.

Frats,

Jayson Baron
CAL ALPA SPSC Strike Preparedness Chairman

 

[On Your Six]

GL might not always be right in his analysis, but you certainly must agree he's passionate about the issues...

In this case pretty good analysis GL, (I agree DAL and NWA make a much better fit because there are fewer hub overlaps than with UAL - fewer hub overlaps means fewer layoffs and political issues) but you need to dial-down the intensity a tad... Sounds like you have a firm grasp of the issues and strategic thinking (beyond just superficial guessing). We need more of that bigger-picture thinking on these boards. However, sometimes the message gets lost on both sides of the fence when the emotion and name-calling increase. Sure, there's provocation on both sides, but the debate/discussion would be more interesting for all if we could separate the emotion from the issues (I understand that's difficult to do when jobs/careers are at stake)...

That's my $0.02. Back to our discussion.

 

[spinup]

Thanks Dad for that diatribe......? Delta is in the drivers seat, and if you don't believe the articles out there, then bring something that proves your points. You can't. I know these writers are subjective sometimes, but they know a lot more of what is happening than you and I. I think you should write emails to those authors and tell them they ARE DREAMING!! Yeah, that's the ticket. They will laugh in your face and delete your mail fast.

As far as United breaking up, I posted that was a rumor I heard from an actual United pilot. And you think United has a better financial picture than Delta? Are you crazy? They did a terrible job in BK getting costs under control, and they have a leader who wants out. They have no plan, and no future orders. They have two hubs (ORD and DEN) that are consistantly closed during bad weather, and they had a terrible holiday season with huge cancellations due to lack of crews, which they blamed on WX. They have no credibility with their own employees, and their customers are ready to go elsewhere, if they can. Sounds wonderful.

And, it is great that you "laugh out loud" every time you see our DL CEO stating we will keep the name of our newly merged carrier if it happens. Hey, it is printed that way, and to say he is lying is saying the author misquoted him. Was he misquoted? To say you know otherwise is really laughable. Only he knows what will happen, and he stated it in the press. You can laugh at me about that, but it is in writing, and you have NOTHING to support that NOT happening. Nothing. If someone asked what a potential name would be--we can point to something tangible (an actual quote) and say "well, he thinks it will stay Delta." You can't say anything otherwise, because you have NOTHING in writing backing you and your silly notion up. Until he says otherwise, we have to think he will go that way. Prove your notion, if you can. (you can't)


AA and NW? Ever thought about which large hub in the Midwest WILL GO if that happens? MSP, ORD, and DTW. Pick one. There would NOT be three large hubs all next to each other. Go ahead smart guy, tell me. It won't happen--too many jobs lost, and the local politicians will be all over that. Even that Credit Suisse analyst said that would be detrimental to AA eventually if that ever happened.

You seem to zero in on the Asia Pacific routes, as if they are the ultimate thing out there. They are nice, and we are adding routes there as fast as we can. But, you seem to forget we at Delta rule the Atlantic, carrying more people across than any carrier (CAL has mostly 757s, while we have mostly widebodies, hence we carry more pax). We also are the only American airline going to Africa, and we are second behind AA going to South America, with a better hub in ATL for connecting (without having to speak Spanish in Miami). We added 50 INTL cities last year alone, and go to Dubai and Mumbai too---both lucrative routes. How about Johanesburg? Ever heard of that? Do you really think we are a regional airline? We also go to Tokyo, Seoul, and soon Shanghai. We are getting more 777 LRs, and we now have rights to Singapore, New Zealand, and Samoa. (Australia is a good bet with current open skies negotiations with that country). If NWA or UAL don't work out, we will probably add service to many places in Asia anyway. You need to really think more before you post. You aren't even close to reality, dad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Delta underperformed United in regard to margin 4th quarter 07. That is a FACT!!!

I will continue to laugh out loud every time you follow your CEO around like a pathetic lemming.

Delta's Pacific Pales by comparison. You inflate DAL's relative presence. Lets see, would I rather have my fleet deployed to Jo-berg or Shanghai? Please, think margin.

In case you need educating, route authority does not equal profit.

bye - bye Spinup

 

[IronCityBlue]

In a NWA/DL combo, CVG and MEM are likely to be downsized. With a UAL/DL combo--there are questions about IAD next to JFK, ORD next to CVG, and SLC next to DEN, along with joint operations at LAX that currently have many redundant city pairs. Gordon Bafoon doesn't tell you that in his Pardus press releases...

Bye Bye--General Lee

I think the only bloodshed concerns with a DAL/UAL combo are DEN/SLC. I really don't think JFK and IAD have anything whatsoever to do with one another. They may be geographically close like some other hub combos, but New York City and Washington DC are radically different markets each with insane ammounts of O&D, both domestic and international. If there was a UAL/DAL combo, there would be no conflict between JFK and IAD whatsoever other than an RJ bloodbath and a small ammount of international combining. With JFK being slotted, in many cases pulling 50 slots per hour out of last summer's peak (an earth shattering reduction by comparison) in light of the fact that most of that sudden build up was primarily driven by Delta's massive RJ feed infusion to pump up its JFK international ambitions, shifting some of those flights to IAD, shedding redundant, high cost RJ routes and letting JFK breathe a little bit, while at the same time benefitting from the world's best DC international market presence put DAL/UAL in an extremely strong situation over the atlantic.

DAL/UAL would also do extremely well over the Pacific. I don't see a redundant LA hub as a liability, but rather an assett. Delta was smart to build up LAX international like they did, and a DAL/UAL combo in LA is yet another prime opportunity for a large RJ bloodbath as well as, like management always likes to say, "leverging our synergies" (just because Leo liked to say it doesn't make it any less special). :laugh:

The big challenge between a DAL/UAL combo hub wise would be DEN/SLC as you mentioned. Probably no way to make it work unless one was seriously downsized. While neither airline is going to pull out of either, regardless of who (and if anyone at all) they merge with, I could see a combined DAL/UAL (that would be called Delta, because Anderson said so) making the best decision of which one to downsize. With all the carnage in DEN right now, I could see DAL retreat to SLC instead of DEN making it the larger of the two hubs, and a high yield fortress hub in comparison to DEN at the expense of some DEN O&D that was probably going to die off anyway with the 3 way celebrity deathmatch going on at DIA right now as we speak. In any case, neither would close and would always have some kind of network regardless.

 

[General Lee]

General,

Question. How much time do you spend typing on this board a day, week, month and year? You seem to be a bright, and motivated individual, why not put your intensity to good use? I know your SPC just activated their strike center why not volunteer some of your time to serve your fellow pilots. I am sure you are fully aware that due to the DAL SPC being activated and being so effective is one of the reasons why the US AIRWAYS deal fell apart? With all the talk of mergers I can tell you this, your MEC has mandated that DAL ALPA will be an active part of any merger/acquisition deals. Why not be a part of the solution instead of all the speculating?

I have worked with Mike Donatelli (sp?) and even though he is the National SPSC Chairman I know he could put you to good use in the DAL SPC. However I do know that most SPC's have a hard on for no message board posting and that might be to much of an addiction for you to break.

Frats,

Jayson Baron
CAL ALPA SPSC Strike Preparedness Chairman

Jayson,

Thanks for the concern, but I am doing just fine. Really. I enjoy this board, and I do spend plenty of time with the ones I love. I do support my union and I am on watch for any help they need at our SPC. My large post total is due to my responding to every post directed at me, and I am now even closer to 10,000 posts thanks to you. Have a great day.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jke406]

and I am now even closer to 10,000 posts thanks to you. Have a great day.

actually, you are well over 10,000 posts when you count your other screen names: 737Pylt, JMoney, Scope Out RJs, just for starters.

Congratulations on your pending accomplishment.

 

[General Lee]

Delta underperformed United in regard to margin 4th quarter 07. That is a FACT!!!

I will continue to laugh out loud every time you follow your CEO around like a pathetic lemming.

Delta's Pacific Pales by comparison. You inflate DAL's relative presence. Lets see, would I rather have my fleet deployed to Jo-berg or Shanghai? Please, think margin.

In case you need educating, route authority does not equal profit.

bye - bye Spinup

Quit laughing out loud so much, your old neighbors are starting to wonder....

Our ATL-DAKAR--JOBERG route is one of our best in terms of yields. In fact, we have upgraded it from a 767-300ER to a 767-400ER for the cargo and pax. Shanghai is looking great in bookings too, and Dubai is a money winner. Our first 777LR will be deployed on the JFK-BOM route thanks to the high need for cargo along with pax on that route, and a 777ER will be put on the PVG route.

As far as our name regognition in Asia, I bet it is less than UAL's or NWA's. It took awhile to get our name out there in Europe after we bought the Pan Am routes. It will take awhile, but it will be worth it. Keep laughing Jacko.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

actually, you are well over 10,000 posts when you count your other screen names: 737Pylt, JMoney, Scope Out RJs, just for starters.

Congratulations on your pending accomplishment. I'm sure "the ones you love" will be thrilled for you, too.

According to you, I have hit 40,000 posts. Wow, that is wonderful! All my identities are shaking hands right now. You are sooo smart Jke!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Eagle757shark]

Sources say that the deals will probable be stock exchanges, no one is interested in taking on additional debt, meaning true mergers. I believe the initial wave of consolidation will see Delta and United merge, then Northwest and US Airways will merge. The reports keeping talking about three carriers. I believe US Airways will be talking too. In 2008 4 legacy carriers will be reduced by 2.