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aviatormar

aviatormar

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Ok, so I think I've narrowed down where and whom I’d like to work for. I'm originally from Boston, and want to stay here. I think these two companies are the best fit for me, I know there is Eagle, Big Sky, Commuteair, Colgan, and Cape Air, but I wanted to focus on these two for the time being. I can't seem to find anywhere that compares these two companies directly. I know back in the day Air Willy was the place to be. How has it now? How's upgrade times, how does management treats pilots? Does Air Wisconsin have trip swapping like Xjet does? I have a lot of friends who love Xjet, but I'm scared of what their future holds (CAL not renewing their contract at all, being totally left out to dry, having EWR shrink to nothing, that type of stuff). Thoughts and ideas is what I'm open too.


P.S. This original post was poorly thought-out and written like a two year old, still not great, but I apologize for the awful first post.
 
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aviatormar said:
Ok, so I think I've narrowed down where and who I want to work for. I'm from Boston, and want to stay here. I think these too companys are the best for me, I know there is Eagle, Big Sky, Commuteair, Colgan, and Cape Air, but I wanted to focus on these two. I can't seem to find anywhere that compared these two airlines. I know back in the day Air Willy was the place to be. How has it now? How's upgrade times, how does managment treat ya'll? I have alot of friend who love Xjet, but I'm scared how thier future. Thoughts and ideas is what I'm open too.
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Make sure you proof read your resume.
 
And if you are scared about the future, then going into the airline business is not for you!

Everyone in this biz is scared of the future! You could be at the top Carrier on year, and the next your near the bottom.
 
I hope none of these carriers require you to write an essay.

If you want a coherent response, you need to put a little more effort into your post.

P.S. Have somebody proofread your resume. Really.
 
Why do you want to commute to these places from Boston? Have numerous friends at Air Willy and they dont like it. XJet seems to be the better of the two but why not take Eagle and just be based in Boston? Your going to hate any regional you work for when your commuting to get there. Just a fact check. Good luck in your decision.
 
If you don't mind me asking, what don't your friends specifically dislike about Air Willy? I haven’t totally discounted Eagle from my choices, but the idea of a 7 to 10 year upgrade doesn’t sound too appealing.
 
I'm pretty sure the Eagle upgrade time is dropping well below that.

AWAC and XJT are both top tier regionals. Listen to what has been said about commuting-just don't do it.

If you want the PIC time faster, look at Commutair. I think they have a base in BOS.
 
I just left AWAC.

The pilot group is great, the contract is great, the union guys work very hard for you.

Management has basically declared war on the pilots and contract. When I left the union was being swamped with grievances. Management was beignining to totally disregard the cotnract. Additionally there is that little bit about the contract arbitration (which the pilots won but are still having to deal with). The airplanes are filthy as well.

If you can deal with PHL, a downright hostile management group (they aren't even trying to disguise it any more) and disgustingly filthy airplanes, AWAC is pretty good.
 
NEDude said:
I just left AWAC.

The pilot group is great, the contract is great, the union guys work very hard for you.

Management has basically declared war on the pilots and contract. When I left the union was being swamped with grievances. Management was beignining to totally disregard the cotnract. Additionally there is that little bit about the contract arbitration (which the pilots won but are still having to deal with). The airplanes are filthy as well.

If you can deal with PHL, a downright hostile management group (they aren't even trying to disguise it any more) and disgustingly filthy airplanes, AWAC is pretty good.
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Sure your not talking about Piedmont Airlines? The disgustingly filthy airplanes thing!

But we are painting them! :-)
 
Don't know much about either group. But I do know that Whiskey has a decent amount of BOS overnights. I don't believe Xjet has any. Bidding for BOS overnights would make your commute easier.
 
NEDude said:
I just left AWAC.

The pilot group is great, the contract is great, the union guys work very hard for you.

Management has basically declared war on the pilots and contract. When I left the union was being swamped with grievances. Management was beignining to totally disregard the cotnract. Additionally there is that little bit about the contract arbitration (which the pilots won but are still having to deal with). The airplanes are filthy as well.

If you can deal with PHL, a downright hostile management group (they aren't even trying to disguise it any more) and disgustingly filthy airplanes, AWAC is pretty good.
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What he said. Like, EXACTLY what he said.

I didn't know it could feel so good to be so gone.

S.
 
Commuting to PHL from BOS would be pretty cake, you will have about 20 flights a day. There are rumors of a LGA base in the future, where you would have about 45 flights a day. This place is not perfect, I would recommend maybe RP or so just because the upgrade is a bit quicker... that said the contract and pay for a FO especially will be better at AWAC. I don't know much about Xjet nor about their schedules... I suppose if you get EWR it would be not so bad, but you will hate that commute if you get a California base. The few people I know at Xjet are happy, so go with your gut.
 
Your edited post isn't any better. You sound like you might be mildly retarded.

Please don't come to ExpressJet. LOL
 
I would say neither. Working for 1300 bucks a month is not worth your time. Take a job in Boston! You will lose a day on each side of your trip commuting and when the delays start forget about it! Take Eagle you will be alot happier and get to keep 200-300 bucks a month in crashpad expense.

Bailey
 
Pocono Pilot said:
Your edited post isn't any better. You sound like you might be mildly retarded.

Please don't come to ExpressJet. LOL
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Yeah, I know it still sounds retarded (I wrote it at 3 in the morning after a fight with the girlfriend, so I was tired and pissed, and english isn't my first language), however, the fact remains, that your still a douchbag and you got turned down by CAL, don't be too bitter.
 
So if I was go get on with Eagle, right now is BOS a junior or senior base? How long is reserve looking like? What is upgrade looking like right now?
 
I left AWAC this year. Management had declared all out war back then and now that the real chief pilot has passed away..... He was the only thing AWAC had going for it in management. Here's to the best C.P. I have ever had.

The current chief pilot is a total scumbag. I hope he dies in a fire. Slowly. It feels ludicrous to say this but it feels right nowadays...stay away from Air Wisconsin. If you don't mind getting fired for speaking your mind on a private forum (even though you had an exemplary employment record with kudos from numerous captains), AWAC just might be the place for you. If you don't mind the company threatening to fire you if you don't fly sick, AWAC just might be for you. Anybody else have any others?
 
Bos is pretty junior. The BOS guys seem to hold a line a lot faster than LGA. Some of the new hires in my class held composite lines after about 3 months of reserve.
The upgrade time is still about 7 years. It hasn't come down really because they have been staffing the jet more than the prop, hence no capt upgrades for the prop the last few months. I think there is about 200 flowbacks still on property, plus supposedly ALPA and APA came to an agreement on eagle guys being able to flow through to AA, but they are waiting for management to look the proposal over, should hear something about it in the next few weeks.
 
I left AWAC this year. Management had declared all out war back then and now that the real chief pilot has passed away..... He was the only thing AWAC had going for it in management. Here's to the best C.P. I have ever had.
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I didn't hear that S.O. had passed away. That sucks. I didn't really deal with him at all, but a guy in our new-hire class had a family emergency during training and the way S.O. handled it was total class. My classmates and I gained immediate respect for the guy right then and there. Always heard very good things about him.
 
I would avoid Air Wisconsin. For all the reasons mentioned in the above postings this management team is not good and the company has zero direction ahead and no business plan..

PHL!!! That should be enough to want to stay away. Used to be a good company about three years ago when we had the United and Airtran flying but the move to the east coast has destroyed what this company used to be. Delays and mechanicals are the norm.. When we had DEN we were an ontime machine where people avoided United and F9 cause Air Wisconsin was just as good. Now we are on the bottom.

Bases:

ORF is by far the happiest base with most people living in base and making the best of it. If you were willing to move for AWAC ORF will give you the best QOL and the best morale. It is younger and more positive.

PHL- Has the most commuters and also the largest base. The best topic for PHL is where the cheapest Hotel is for commuters. Most people are based here because of commuting. I think we have about 5% of our pilots living in PHL.

DCA- Nice base and good operations.. If it were just DCA and CLT flying this would be a nice escape from the rest of the company. The lines are horrible here though with late finishes and no flights past 8ish at night. About 50% of the FO's live there and maybe 15% of the CA's.

The current upgrade time is around 3 yrs for RSV CA in ORF, PHL or DCA.

Positives:

Training program
Union
Pilot group
Some of the contract is good
laid back
HDQ's is far far away

Negatives

Management #1 reason
PHL
Nothing but east coast
No business plan
Schedules BLOW

I would go to Xjet for a few reasons..

1. Better operation
2. Better flying
3. Better management
4. Good contract
5. Better Bases
 
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You'd probably fit it well at CHQ after reading your post. I skimmed through it, then wrote you a reply, at the end I put "ignore all the dicks harping on you" but seriously dude, your edited version is.. Very poor grammar. Coming from me, that means a lot. I'm normally a really nice guy, but damn dude.
 
IADBLRJ41 said:
I would go to Xjet for a few reasons..

1. Better operation
2. Better flying
3. Better management
4. Good contract
5. Better Bases
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Do you REALLY think Cleveland, Houston and NEWARK (along with LAX, ONT, SAT, maybe more now?) are better than Washington, Nafack and Filthy?
 
he was being sarcastic
 
BoilerUP said:
Do you REALLY think Cleveland, Houston and NEWARK (along with LAX, ONT, SAT, maybe more now?) are better than Washington, Nafack and Filthy?
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Take Filthydelphia. Where else can you be based at, and have to call the crashpad, so when you get off the bus, your fellow co-workers are escorting you back to the crashpad armed with baseball bats? How many crewmembers were mugged going to thier crashpads in South Filthy? There is no movement or growth here and upgrade is about 3 years. But with the slew of new upgrades, that will slow down future movement as well.
 

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