Air Wisky Vs. Xjet

[crashmbern]

Bos is pretty junior. The BOS guys seem to hold a line a lot faster than LGA. Some of the new hires in my class held composite lines after about 3 months of reserve.
The upgrade time is still about 7 years. It hasn't come down really because they have been staffing the jet more than the prop, hence no capt upgrades for the prop the last few months. I think there is about 200 flowbacks still on property, plus supposedly ALPA and APA came to an agreement on eagle guys being able to flow through to AA, but they are waiting for management to look the proposal over, should hear something about it in the next few weeks.

 

[NEDude]

I left AWAC this year. Management had declared all out war back then and now that the real chief pilot has passed away..... He was the only thing AWAC had going for it in management. Here's to the best C.P. I have ever had.

I didn't hear that S.O. had passed away. That sucks. I didn't really deal with him at all, but a guy in our new-hire class had a family emergency during training and the way S.O. handled it was total class. My classmates and I gained immediate respect for the guy right then and there. Always heard very good things about him.

 

[IADBLRJ41]

I would avoid Air Wisconsin. For all the reasons mentioned in the above postings this management team is not good and the company has zero direction ahead and no business plan..

PHL!!! That should be enough to want to stay away. Used to be a good company about three years ago when we had the United and Airtran flying but the move to the east coast has destroyed what this company used to be. Delays and mechanicals are the norm.. When we had DEN we were an ontime machine where people avoided United and F9 cause Air Wisconsin was just as good. Now we are on the bottom.

Bases:

ORF is by far the happiest base with most people living in base and making the best of it. If you were willing to move for AWAC ORF will give you the best QOL and the best morale. It is younger and more positive.

PHL- Has the most commuters and also the largest base. The best topic for PHL is where the cheapest Hotel is for commuters. Most people are based here because of commuting. I think we have about 5% of our pilots living in PHL.

DCA- Nice base and good operations.. If it were just DCA and CLT flying this would be a nice escape from the rest of the company. The lines are horrible here though with late finishes and no flights past 8ish at night. About 50% of the FO's live there and maybe 15% of the CA's.

The current upgrade time is around 3 yrs for RSV CA in ORF, PHL or DCA.

Positives:

Training program
Union
Pilot group
Some of the contract is good
laid back
HDQ's is far far away

Negatives

Management #1 reason
PHL
Nothing but east coast
No business plan
Schedules BLOW

I would go to Xjet for a few reasons..

1. Better operation
2. Better flying
3. Better management
4. Good contract
5. Better Bases

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

You'd probably fit it well at CHQ after reading your post. I skimmed through it, then wrote you a reply, at the end I put "ignore all the dicks harping on you" but seriously dude, your edited version is.. Very poor grammar. Coming from me, that means a lot. I'm normally a really nice guy, but damn dude.

 

[BoilerUP]

I would go to Xjet for a few reasons..

1. Better operation
2. Better flying
3. Better management
4. Good contract
5. Better Bases

Do you REALLY think Cleveland, Houston and NEWARK (along with LAX, ONT, SAT, maybe more now?) are better than Washington, Nafack and Filthy?

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Do you REALLY think Cleveland, Houston and NEWARK (along with LAX, ONT, SAT, maybe more now?) are better than Washington, Nafack and Filthy?

Uh, yeah.

 

[IADBLRJ41]

Do you REALLY think Cleveland, Houston and NEWARK (along with LAX, ONT, SAT, maybe more now?) are better than Washington, Nafack and Filthy?

Yes I do.

 

[SkyNation]

he was being sarcastic

 

[J and E's Daddy]

Do you REALLY think Cleveland, Houston and NEWARK (along with LAX, ONT, SAT, maybe more now?) are better than Washington, Nafack and Filthy?

Take Filthydelphia. Where else can you be based at, and have to call the crashpad, so when you get off the bus, your fellow co-workers are escorting you back to the crashpad armed with baseball bats? How many crewmembers were mugged going to thier crashpads in South Filthy? There is no movement or growth here and upgrade is about 3 years. But with the slew of new upgrades, that will slow down future movement as well.

 

[punkpilot48]

he was being sarcastic

Nope Ive been reading his posts for years now.....he loves the Norfolk....for the record of course.

 

[masedogg19]

I don't think that's the case at all....I've been reading his posts too, and I know him personally....he's not based there

 

[punkpilot48]

I don't think that's the case at all....I've been reading his posts too, and I know him personally....he's not based there

Just a Jay and Silent bob joke.



And I thought guys here at xjt were wound to tight....wow.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Until the problems between AWAC Management and the Union are sorted out (which is probably never at this rate), stay away. Stay far, far away.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Crossky]

I just left AWAC.

The pilot group is great, the contract is great, the union guys work very hard for you.

Management has basically declared war on the pilots and contract. When I left the union was being swamped with grievances. Management was beignining to totally disregard the cotnract.

He's overstating the case as far as 'totally disregarding the contract'. Yes, we do have outstanding grievances, but it's not as bad as that makes it out to be. AWAC has problems currently though.

A sick call is classified as an UNEXCUSED ABSENCE. This is just begging for a lawsuit IMO. Four in a 12 month period will get you a cup of coffee with your domicile manager, 7 or more will get you fired (supposedly). Don't think they're willing to go that far (yet).

HOT rumors for an LGA base in the near future. FYI.

 

[masedogg19]

Just a Jay and Silent bob joke.



And I thought guys here at xjt were wound to tight....wow.

I get it now.....sorry

 

[11thHour]

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A sick call is classified as an UNEXCUSED ABSENCE. This is just begging for a lawsuit IMO. Four in a 12 month period will get you a cup of coffee with your domicile manager, 7 or more will get you fired (supposedly). Don't think they're willing to go that far (yet).

....

Sounds like XJET. I'm not kidding.

 

[Booker]

Sounds like XJET. I'm not kidding.

It sure does. It sounds like the program at my last employer, too, except better. (I'm not kidding, either.)

 

[MusicMan]

Keep in mind that the loudest people in any pilot group are the ones who like to complain. The others typically stay away from these boards or keep their mouths shut. Been at AWAC for several years and the company has never screwed me over. Always followed the contract, at least in my case. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but that is what the grievance committee is for and if it's a legitimate grievance, it will be taken care of. Don't commute to any airline job and most of your ability to complain will be taken away from you. If you like to complain, commute.

 

[labbats]

I've known 3 AWAC guys personally and they all got pretty unhappy after the loss of the United flying.

How can you say you never got screwed when the bases you lived in got pulled out from under you and replaced with lines that someone in the top 1/3 of the seniority list can't commute to? Hard to avoid commuting when you lived in base and then lost it.

AWAC was always the place to be, but from what I hear that isn't the case anymore.

Both XJet and AWAC have great contracts, but it seems the future is shaky. FWIW I'd always fill out the applications that don't have a commute attached to them first. Best of luck to you and all involved.

 

[MusicMan]

Having your domiciles change isn't called getting screwed. It's called corporate america. If you think this is the only business where relocation occurs, you must have gone to an all aviation university. Talk to people in the business world. It's the same thing. At least we have the option to commute rather than move. No, I don't feel that I was screwed when our bases closed. Rotten luck, but not screwed.