Air Marshall Kills Pax

[swampfan]

Anyone hear a commentator on the news say something like, "the marshall made a good decision and did some dam.n fine shooting!" I thought that was funny:laugh: My first thought was that guys had to be from Texas (in a good way).

The FAMs did what they were trained to do. It is unfortunate if this guy was indeed sick, but the decision was apparently correct. This situation appears to meet all the requirements for the use of deadly force. This is serious business...maybe people will think more now about making "jokes" aboard or near aircraft if they think a FAM or other LEO might tune 'em up for making the wrong move. I am sorry someone had to die, but relieved that the FAMs and other folks around are okay.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Good shot get ready for the monday morning quaterbacking to start

 

[crashpad]

We've set a new standard to scrutinize the mentally challenged and keep them off our planes.
Now if the FAMs' start taking out the tanktop wearing trailer trash...we'll be getting somewhere!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

We've set a new standard to scrutinize the mentally challenged and keep them off our planes.
Now if the FAMs' start taking out the tanktop wearing trailer trash...we'll be getting somewhere!

If you want them to do that, they will have to double thier manning on Southwest!

 

[difete]

:laugh:

 

[P-Dawg_QX]

This event sure didn't stay in the news that long. I forgot all about it.

 

[Booster]

From AvFlash 29 May

Air Marshals Cleared In Passenger Shooting

Federal Air Marshals "demonstrated remarkable restraint in dealing with" an unarmed man whom they fired upon nine times and killed with at least four bullets outside a parked airliner at Miami International Airport. The Miami-Dade State Attorney's office has determined the unidentified marshals were "legally justified" in killing Rigoberto Alpizar when he bolted from the aircraft after the Air Marshals say he told other passengers that he was carrying a bomb and would detonate it. The names of the Air Marshals were not released and they will be flying again, "shortly," according to a TSA spokesman quoted by the Miami Herald.

The marshals fired nine times after Alpizar reached into a backpack that he was wearing on his chest and, according to one of the marshals, said, "I'm going to blow up this bomb." There was a bottle of water in the backpack.
:beer:

 

[FN FAL]

It's hard to be a second place winner if your oppenent is armed with a water bottle in a back pack.

Memphis - Mary Fisher's fifteen year career with the U.S. Marshal's Department came to a violent end Mother's Day morning outside of her Cordova home after she was shot to death. Police say the bizarre series of incidents that would lead to the shooting started hours before.

Around 6am Sunday she was spotted at Germantown Road and Macon Road by Memphis police working an accident scene. "They witnessed the vehicle driving erratically in opposing traffic, violating some traffic laws. They put on the blue light and sirens in an attempt to do a traffic stop." says Sgt. Vince Higgins with the Memphis Police Department.

Police say Fisher never stopped until she drove about a mile to her Cordova home. That's when she came face to face with police. "Officers followed the victims into her driveway. They asked her to come out of the car. She opened the car door looked out. She went back into the car, then turned around with a pistol and fired at the officers. They returned fire." says Steve Shular with the Shelby County Sheriff's Department.

One of the police officers was also wounded. Mary Fisher was killed. It quickly became a multi-department investigation. When Mary Fisher was first spotted on Germantown Road, she was actually in the city of Memphis. That's why police tried to stop her. By the time she made it to Cordova Club and her home on Palmina Avenue, she was in Shelby County, which is why the Sheriff's Department responded.

Now the Sheriff's Department is trying to sort out the details and waiting for a medical report to see how many times Fisher was shot. Memphis police are also doing their own investigation to see if the officer who fired the shots followed department policy. Both departments say they won't comment further on the case until the investigation is complete.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Air Marshals Cleared In Passenger Shooting

Federal Air Marshals "demonstrated remarkable restraint in dealing with" an unarmed man whom they fired upon nine times and killed with at least four bullets outside a parked airliner at Miami International Airport. The Miami-Dade State Attorney's office has determined the unidentified marshals were "legally justified" in killing Rigoberto Alpizar when he bolted from the aircraft after the Air Marshals say he told other passengers that he was carrying a bomb and would detonate it. The names of the Air Marshals were not released and they will be flying again, "shortly," according to a TSA spokesman quoted by the Miami Herald.

The marshals fired nine times after Alpizar reached into a backpack that he was wearing on his chest and, according to one of the marshals, said, "I'm going to blow up this bomb." There was a bottle of water in the backpack.
:beer:

This was rediculous. Shot him in the back in a jetway if I remember correctly. I also recall that the man was in his seventies. These FAMs were trigger happy lunatics and should be in jail, not back on the job.

 

[JumpCaptain]

I'm curious how you think they should have responded.

 

[atrdriver]

This was rediculous. Shot him in the back in a jetway if I remember correctly. I also recall that the man was in his seventies. These FAMs were trigger happy lunatics and should be in jail, not back on the job.

Well, you remember wrong. He was 44 years old, and was NOT shot in the back. After making a threat, he reached into his pack, which he was wearing on his chest, after being told not to. The FAM's did their job, correctly.

Had this gone the other way, and he did have a bomb, and killed a lot of people, you would be on here moaning about how the FAMs should have done their job by killing him.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

You're absolutely right.

Here's the link..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Air_Marshal_Service

I must have been confusing this with several other stories.

I am very sensitive to the over use of force though... I think the TSA has too much power and likes to wield it around dangerously. It begins with screeners as we all know all too well. Having been a Marine, and knowing many law enforcement types including local police officers, Feds, and several FFDOs It always seems to me that these type of positions attract folks with itchy trigger fingers and those just waiting to use deadly force.

This is a double edged sword of course. I'll compare it to Airport Fire Response Units. These guys are hero's in waiting. Indeed very brave, and skilled men and women; and I'm quite glad to know they are there if god forbid I ever need them.... BUT I'm sure many of you have seen the look of dissapointment in their eyes when a forced landing due to smoke or something turns out to be a false alarm...

Dissapointment is one thing, but looking for an excuse to use deadly force is another. I'm not saying for sure these FAMS were wrong, but I will say that reading different accounts of the incident, it really seems this shooting was a stretch. Sure the guy was a nut, but he and all of his bags, cleared TSA AND customs. PLUS pretty much all the passengers within earshot did not hear 1 mention of the word "bomb". In fact one passenger in 1st class heard nothing but the word "stop" from the FAM before shots were fired.

 

[FN FAL]

The FAM's did their job, correctly.

Had this gone the other way, and he did have a bomb, and killed a lot of people, you would be on here moaning about how the FAMs should have done their job by killing him.

What if this, what if that. Truth of the matter is; Marshals wont be on every flight, authorities can assume that screening doesn't work and bombs can get on airliners.

If authorities can assume that bombs could be on airliners, I'm not riding on one.

 

[da90drivr]

Otto, Are you gathering all of your factual information from the media or are you reading official reports?

Idiot!

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Otto, Are you gathering all of your factual information from the media or are you reading official reports?

Idiot!

If you read on, you'd see I was confusing the case, and I admitted my mistake.

Jackass