Air Force vs. Navy flying

[SaabStory]

How things change...

Happy Vet's Day.

 

[JungleJett]

SAR,

You mentioned I should get a better writer. Let me know when yours get out of the third grade and I will put him to work.


(Is that a better comeback?)

 

[sardaddy]

(Is that a better comeback?)

Marginally. Keep working on it and you will get there.

 

[AvroGuy]

Singapore, not Thailand. That's where all the USAF guys pick up their wives.

You are mistaken, those are Korean women on those AF bases.

 

[bubble]

Thanks all for the information. The Air Guard may be a viable option...the only problem then is getting my foot in the door to begin with. My main concern with any branch is signing up with the intent to fly and ending up with a desk job or other non-flying position.

True to an extent. As long as you're not a ****************************** and can shut up and color (fly the way they tell you, and never EVER say "in my civilian days") you'll smoke primary, and they will find/make a spot for you in TACAIR.

Are you talking Navy or Air Force?

 

[Oh-ryan]

Let me get my can opener here and really open up this mess-

As a navy bubba who has a been exposed to a lot of USAF aviation (as a result of being based at a few USAF bases for long periods of time), my experience has been the navy brass have the attitude of "tell me why we can't do this" whereas USAF brass have the attitude of "tell me why we should do this and let's spend many meetings talking about how we should go about doing this and maybe we will find a reason that will prevent us from doing this."

There, that should spawn at least a dozen more posts. Dave, I am counting on you to be one of them and I hope that it will be yet another witty P-3 crack. I always piss myself when you make fun of us. You're the best.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Fact is 3 out of 4 Asian Ladyboys prefer USAF pilots......







just saying....

 

[JungleJett]

Fact is 3 out of 4 Asian Ladyboys prefer USAF pilots......







just saying....

So you have been turned down three out of four times?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I am not a USAF pilot... so no.... I've only been turned down once!

 

[Scrapdog]

So you have been turned down three out of four times?

No Jungle, Rez has never served our country, much less have anything to do with military aviation.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No Jungle, Rez has never served our country, much less have anything to do with military aviation.

Sure.... ok... but what does that have to do with the fact that three out of four asain ladyboys prefer you over some Navy boat guy?

 

[Mamma]

Sure.... ok... but what does that have to do with the fact that three out of four asain ladyboys prefer you over some Navy boat guy?

Interesting post Rez. Most people would not know much about Asian Ladyboy preferences. Doing a little late-night research on ladyboy statistics/ preferences? May I be so bold as to ask why you find this subject so interesting? Do you have some vacation time coming up?

 

[JungleJett]

No Jungle, Rez has never served our country, much less have anything to do with military aviation.

That explains the avatar.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Interesting post Rez. Most people would not know much about Asian Ladyboy preferences. Doing a little late-night research on ladyboy statistics/ preferences? May I be so bold as to ask why you find this subject so interesting? Do you have some vacation time coming up?

I was an intern at a law firm that represented allot of AF pilots who were getting divorced and quickly "married" to "asains"....

We had offices outside of Kadena, Anderson and Hickam. At one point the firm partners wanted to buy up dry cleaners so AF pilots could do one stop shopping....

I knew more than I wanted..... my eyes still burn from the pictures..

 

[AirCobra]

You can't get away from Rez over 7300 posts and counting. I thought since he wasn't military maybe he wouldn't post here. I guess I was wrong since he posts on Cargo, Corporate, Major, National, and Regional forums. I guess he has done it all. Maybe I will go try the Dispatchers or Spouses forum to take a break from his ramblings and unfunny posts about ladyboys. You aren't a dispatcher, pilots spouse, or ladyboy too are you Rez?

 

[AirCobra]

Hey Rez just another thought. As the supposed oracle of progressive ideals on this website, why are you making fun of transsexuals and homsexuals? Why are you using private acts between two consenting adults as a punchline for a joke? I thought only facist conservatives did those sort of things.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey Rez just another thought. As the supposed oracle of progressive ideals on this website, why are you making fun of transsexuals and homsexuals? Why are you using private acts between two consenting adults as a punchline for a joke? I thought only facist conservatives did those sort of things.

Hmmmm.. more right wing regressiveness... attack the source or messenger... because if you debate the issues you'll lose.. that was the McCain campaign strategy as well.... and we know how that turned out for you....



Anyway... back the the issue....

Just like gays... I don't care what they do with GOP congressmen in MSP bathroom stalls or other activities on their time. Just leave me out of it...

Same with AF pilots and ladyboys.. all I said was 3 out of four prefer AF pilots....

That is not a judgement or making fun of anyone... All I am stating is preferences.... What AF pilots do with ladyboys is their own choice... just leave me out of it...

Finally, I click new posts, I don't really look at the forum name. If you want to have a discrete discussion about Asian ladyboys then get a password protected message board and you can control access, talk about ascots and ladyboy escorts and whatever else you value...... And there is nothing wrong with that.. In fact I think you should have an outlet....





just saying..... that's all....

 

[JungleJett]

Looks like someone else goes on the ignore list.

Rez...your mom says if you do not finish your c************************* today, there will be no internet tonight. So get in the basement and clean your room....and get that damn Knightrider and CHiPs poster off your wall.

 

[Mamma]

Same with AF pilots and ladyboys.. all I said was 3 out of four prefer AF pilots....

I don't see what all the fuss is about anyway. I have no control over who digs me. Midgets, ladyboys, chunkers, models, sluts, trans-testicles...you name it. I guess us AF pilots are just too sexy....most everyone loves us....but nobody more than ourselves!

 

[AirCobra]

Hmmmm.. more right wing regressiveness... attack the source or messenger... because if you debate the issues you'll lose.. that was the McCain campaign strategy as well.... and we know how that turned out for you....



Anyway... back the the issue....

Just like gays... I don't care what they do with GOP congressmen in MSP bathroom stalls or other activities on their time. Just leave me out of it...

Same with AF pilots and ladyboys.. all I said was 3 out of four prefer AF pilots....

That is not a judgement or making fun of anyone... All I am stating is preferences.... What AF pilots do with ladyboys is their own choice... just leave me out of it...

Finally, I click new posts, I don't really look at the forum name. If you want to have a discrete discussion about Asian ladyboys then get a password protected message board and you can control access, talk about ascots and ladyboy escorts and whatever else you value...... And there is nothing wrong with that.. In fact I think you should have an outlet....





just saying..... that's all....

I have no idea what you are talking about in the beginning of this post so I can't comment on it. As for the rest of what you said I was hoping to "leave you out of it" but you decided to come on a forum that has nothing to do with you and make assinine jokes insulting homosexuals. Would Obama want you to say these things in public? Why don't you try to add something worthwhile to the discussion of Navy v. Air Force...oh wait you can't because you never served, which begs the question why are you posting here? Why don't you post your anti-gay slurs on the RC or Homebuilt forums instead of wasting my time and everyone elses.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I don't see what all the fuss is about anyway. I have no control over who digs me. Midgets, ladyboys, chunkers, models, sluts, trans-testicles...you name it. I guess us AF pilots are just too sexy....most everyone loves us....but nobody more than ourselves!

That's the spirit!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I have no idea what you are talking about in the beginning of this post so I can't comment on it.

You could read it?

As for the rest of what you said I was hoping to "leave you out of it" but you decided to come on a forum that has nothing to do with you and make assinine jokes insulting homosexuals.

Are you uncomfortable with that?

Would Obama want you to say these things in public?

He hasn't called me yet to thank me for the vote. But when he does, I'll ask..... 'kay?

Why don't you try to add something worthwhile to the discussion of Navy v. Air Force...oh wait you can't because you never served, which begs the question why are you posting here?

Ahh... got it..... The ol' I've defended your freedom so it is I, the MIL guy, that gets to decide what your freedom will be.

Can I speak?

If I could, I'd say thanks for your service....

Why don't you post your anti-gay slurs on the RC or Homebuilt forums instead of wasting my time and everyone elses.

Or you could simply exercise your right not to read it.....?



Just sayin'

 

[skyward80]

In the USAF, our regs tell us what we CAN do in the air. In the Navy, their regs are more about what you CANNOT do in the air. I believe the Navy's way of doing things relies on the pilot's decision making much more. Of course, if something bad happens, the pilot may need to explain that decision making and without regs to back him up, it might be more difficult to have others see it his way.

The problem with the USAF way of doing things, is that the people who are supposed to make the decisions often make bad ones or wait until shift change to pass the buck to somebody else. I feel like I am usually left to clean up everybody else's mess.

Another thing I like about the Navy (also Marines) is that the fighter pilots are low-maintenance and very down to earth (think USAF A-10 pilot). It's almost like somebody told them that just because they fly fast, pointy jets doesn't mean they are a higher form of life... just a faster, higher-G capable form of life. Plus, they have bought me and my crew (tanker toads) beer more often than the USAF fighter dudes ever have.

The Navy has to get rid of the drogue refueling system. It bores my boom and it's VERY slow. Plus, the new guys keep stealing the basket.

Skyward80

 

[Mud Eagle]

In the USAF, our regs tell us what we CAN do in the air. In the Navy, their regs are more about what you CANNOT do in the air.

Still looking for that reg that tells me what I "can" do vs the one that tells me what I can't.

 

[HoursHore]

Still looking for that reg that tells me what I "can" do vs the one that tells me what I can't.

From the KC-135R Dash One:

PERMISSIBLE OPERATIONS. The Flight Manual takes a ‘‘positive approach’’ and normally
states only what you can do. Unusual operations or configurations (such as asymmetrical
loading) are prohibited unless specifically covered herein. Clearance from the gaining
MAJCOM must be obtained before any questionable operation, which is not specifically
permitted in this manual, is attempted. Before granting the clearance, the gaining MAJCOM
may request coordination or engineering assistance/approval from OC-ALC. Request should
be made through the Flight Manual Manager.

I don't have access to my old Natops manuals, so I don't know if that same clause is in there.

 

[skyward80]

That's what I was looking for. We have a similar clause in the KC-10 Dash 1. Plus, there's all that wonderful Vol 3 stuff.

The USAF's regs really try to stamp out gray areas (which is silly in aviation and doubly-so in military aviation) and makes things more cut and dry. At least, that was the goal. Personally, I think the Navy approach is a little better. The guy in the seat flying the jet knows the best way to get the mission done. It's better not to micromanage that.

Skyward80

 

[HoursHore]

Here's the Navy's version:

This instruction prescribes general flight and operating
instructions and procedures applicable to the
operation of all naval aircraft and related activities.
This instruction is not intended to cover every
contingency that may arise nor every rule of safety
and good practice. To achieve maximum value, the
contents of all directives cited must be studied and
understood. Routine interpretation and procedural
questions should be referred to type wing/type
command NATOPS offices for resolution prior to
referral to COMNAVAIRFOR. Where the need
arises, special instructions or waivers will be issued
by COMNAVAIRFOR.
b. In the tactical environment, military exigency may
require on-site deviations from instructions/procedures
contained here. The existing risk of deviation
must continually be weighed against the benefit of
deviating from this instruction. Deviation from
specified flight and operating instructions is authorized in emergency situations when, in the judgment
of the pilot in command, safety justifies such a
deviation.

 

[skyward80]

Yeah, if that was a USAF reg, the last line of your post would read something like this:

"Deviation from specified flight and operating instructions is not authorized without TACC getting involved. Please pass deviation requests via HF phone patch and allow at least 30 minutes for a deviation waiver. In the event somebody is afraid of attaching their name to the deviation waiver, you will be told to standby for shift change which may require you to wait for up to 12 hours. In the mean time, look sharp and hope for the best. Your compliance with this policy is mandatory and resistance is futile."

Skyward80

 

[sardaddy]

Here is the CG version. Close to Navy but not quite:

"The procedures discussed in this manual are to be used as guides and shall be carried out with sound professional judgement. This instruction is not intended to cover every contingency that may arise, nor every rule of flight safety and good practice.

Successful operations require the exercise of good judgement and common sense at all levels of command. When the need arises, special instructions or waivers will be issued by Commandant (CG711), However, in the operational environment, mission demands may require on scene deviation from prescribed instructions or procedures when, in the judgement of the pilot in command, such deviation is necessary for safety or the saving of life. Such deviation must not be taken lightly and must be tempered by maturity and a complete understanding of the aircraft, mission, and crew."

Although my favorite passage of our air ops manual is as follows: "The probability of saving human life warrants maximum effort....When no suitable alternatives exist and the mission has a reasonable chance of success, the risk of damage to or abuse of the aircraft is acceptable, even though such damage or abuse may render the aircraft unrecoverable."


In the Army the rules were simple, have 3 people sign your risk assessment before flying all but the most benign flights and if you do anything that is not listed on the assessment or clearly written in the regs we will have your ass.

 

[Huggyu2]

Interesting posts: I've always wondered "who" would post a "what I can do" AFI.
The two USAF flying communities I've been in have stated what I couldn't do. Seems to be a very different approach than what was posted above.

I guess that's maybe part of the reason I'm attracted to the community that I work in.