Age 70 being discussed

[pilotyip]

God willing. Hopefully, things working out won't include the loss of all integrity in my case.

A noteworthy and honorable goal, you are to be congratulated for setting such a lofty finale.

 

[flyboyike]

A noteworthy and honorable goal, you are to be congratulated for setting such a lofty finale.

I don't know about congratulated, but it does seem fairly lofty, if the current geezers' utter failure to achieve it is any indication.

 

[zonejumper]

This entertaining battle of wits is like watching the Varsity play the Pee Wees.

 

[Axel]

Beyond comical. Every letter, space and comma.

 

[pilotyip]

I don't know about congratulated, but it does seem fairly lofty, if the current geezers' utter failure to achieve it is any indication.

So you are sole judge of achievement?

This entertaining battle of wits is like watching the Varsity play the Pee Wees.

This is fun, if it goes on long enought, we will have raise the age to 75.

 

[flyboyike]

So you are sole judge of achievement?

No, but I'm one of them.

I do have a purely practical question for the "overmydeadbody" group: if you couldn't afford to retire at 60, are now pushing for 70, because you're nearing 65 and still can't afford to retire, may I ask what great economic/financial miracle do you expect to happen in those next five years that you'll finally be able to head for the golf course? I bet you'll be just as broke at 70, so then you'll push for 75 etc. In the end you'll die broke, same as you would, had you retired now. Do you really expect to make up for decades of poor planning (or complete lack of planning) in a few years? Or are you just so embittered that you figure if you got shafted, you'll shaft everyone behind you in what's ultimately a pathetic display of very childish behavior (which is what you accuse us "teenyboppers" of every chance you get)?

 

[flyboyike]

This entertaining battle of wits is like watching the Varsity play the Pee Wees.

More like Varsity playing the Senior League.

 

[pilotyip]

No, but I'm one of them.

I do have a purely practical question for the "overmydeadbody" group: if you couldn't afford to retire at 60, are now pushing for 70, because you're nearing 65 and still can't afford to retire, may I ask what great economic/financial miracle do you expect to happen in those next five years that you'll finally be able to head for the golf course? I bet you'll be just as broke at 70, so then you'll push for 75 etc. In the end you'll die broke, same as you would, had you retired now. Do you really expect to make up for decades of poor planning (or complete lack of planning) in a few years? Or are you just so embittered that you figure if you got shafted, you'll shaft everyone behind you in what's ultimately a pathetic display of very childish behavior (which is what you accuse us "teenyboppers" of every chance you get)?

I am 68, married to the same woman 46 yrs, very happy flying 135. All set for retirement. But I liked flying big airplanes, so if they pass this 70-75, thing I will not take any job from you. BTW me embittered? not me, maybe look in the mirror

 

[zonejumper]

# 1, why do you assume all old Captains are broke?

#2, why can't your believe in your deluded little minds that some people actually enjoy working?

#3, not everyone is as lazy as some members of your generation, where they want to sit home on their fat ass collecting a pension/social security check.

 

[Jackie Moon]

How about this if you want to extend it you do it gradually. Every 2 or 3 years you extend the retirement age by one year. This way no one gets a windfall and no one really gets hurt. They should have done this last time.

 

[rettofly]

as long as it is true
I think this reinforces how true it is. BTW If things work out for you, you also may be a geezer someday.

Funny, but when I was in my thirties, it never occurred to me that I might be a geezer some day. I also thought that I was smarter than all the geezers had ever been or would ever be.

Perspective is everything!

 

[LongBeachTrijet]

As long as the medicals are passed, I am fine with age 70. However, a fence needs to be installed that any more rule changes regarding mandatory retirement does not result in furloughs. If it does, then 65+ pilots need to hang their hats.

 

[acaTerry]

Not gonna happen. Age 65 was a "Bush deal" and Obama (whether you voted for him or not, that is not the point...) ain't gonna extend it.

That's because Nobama doesn't create jobs. He's what?...3 yrs in office and we're STILL over 10% unemployment?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose.

 

[hou757]

65 should be as high as it goes.

 

[rettofly]

65 should be as high as it goes.

How about having mandatory retirement at the age of eligibility for full SS pension (currently a sliding scale up to age 67). Since our glorious political establishment doesn't have the cojones to touch the third rail, that should put an end to the Age 70 speculation.

 

[pilotyip]

Start of age 60

There was no retirement age until Age 60 was forced on the pilots back in 1958 by the new FAA. ALPA was still fighting to get it repealed up until about 1970. This rule had nothing to do with safety; it was a deal between two W.W.II USAF Generals, AAL's C.R. Smith and Pete Quesada (sp.?) the first head of the FAA. It was a management/gov’t fix to screw pilots. It was to get rid of high paid pilots at the top of AAL the seniority list. It was done in the name of safety, because who can be against safety? It is like motherhood and patriotism. If we really want to do this retirement age correctly in the name of safety, we take the age of youngest pilot that experiences an in-flight incapacitation, say a heart attack at age 47, and that becomes the new retirement age.

 

[Kalifornia]

There was no retirement age until Age 60 was forced on the pilots back in 1958 by the new FAA. ALPA was still fighting to get it repealed up until about 1970. This rule had nothing to do with safety; it was a deal between two W.W.II USAF Generals, AAL's C.R. Smith and Pete Quesada (sp.?) the first head of the FAA. It was a management/gov’t fix to screw pilots. It was to get rid of high paid pilots at the top of AAL the seniority list. It was done in the name of safety, because who can be against safety? It is like motherhood and patriotism. If we really want to do this retirement age correctly in the name of safety, we take the age of youngest pilot that experiences an in-flight incapacitation, say a heart attack at age 47, and that becomes the new retirement age.

Your statistical analysis skills are nightmarish. Does that mean we also take the youngest person to pass an ATP and allow them to be the new min age? Experimenting with age extremes: just brilliant...

Jessica Dubroff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Dubroff



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Take away reasonable controls in place, and watch the good ole' boy network do its magic: Bob, that 17 year kid has no business passing a commercial checkride right now. Yea, but that's Roy's kid, give em' pass, they'll catch on. Hey Dale, concerned that 65 year old George was ultra slow on his last PC, maybe he should retire? Well, he still can drink his whiskey, there's no way I'm going to be the one to fail George, besides Fred, my 80 year old FAA medical flight surgeon neighbor gave em the thumbs up the other day.

 

[pilotyip]

But we are not talking safety, we are talking get out of my seat, it belongs to me.

 

[mxer]

Here is a thought. Extend the age, but move to the FO seat. Your experience will still be in the office as well as your love to fly. This will also free up the left seat for the junior pilot as well as give the option of staying around longer. Would this satisfy the career expectation while also helping in recovery of unforseen economic hardships? I understand both sides. Senior pilots had the ability of reaping rewards of previously senior pilots retirements. However, despite some that couldn't manage a roll of nickels in a cassino, most never saw the hit of lost pensions and horrible economy hitting at the worst possible time.