Age 70 being discussed

[dooork]

There were PRACTICAL expectations and time weighted advancement opportunities every pilot had expected, that were marketed and sold to us by pilots, flight training departments even industry "experts" who foretold a level of reasonable career expectations. EVERYTHING that has happened in this industry the previous 10 years has proven this system is NOT practical nor rewarding except to the top 10% who have sold this career's integrity like an ammo clip at a swap meet. Being an out of shape fiscally irresponsible moron by having 5 wives 3 houses and 2 BMW's and pissing away your career funds on luxury items and drowning your retirement is NOT my ####ing problem to suffer. YOU should suffer the consequences instead you lobbied for another 5 years to redeem your financial stupidity. Your telling us to grow up? I live within my means clearly something your generation has grown hypocritical to.

P.S. this is not directed at YOU personally but your entire generation.

I belive you should say the top 51%.

 

[filejw]

I belive you should say the top 51%.

FYI the people who created this mess 10 to 20 years ago are long gone.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Don't generalize or ASSUME. I know plenty of captains who are still on their first wife and don't have houses all over the world, 3 boats, sports cars, etc. You guys (not directed at you, necessarily) keep screaming about what you were promised, blah blah blah. I hope by now you realize NOTHING in life is guaranteed and you have to be prepared for that eventuality. Oh, btw, there are many captains who retire early OR lose their medical, thus making room for you young pups. I think many of you want the upgrade to pay for your $100,000 student loans YOU were stupid enough to take to get a job in this industry. I could say THAT was poor planning on YOUR part. We could go round in circles like a dog chasing its tail, but it does no good.
Put your big boy pants on, enjoy the career (or not and leave), prepare for EVERY eventuality and have a good time enjoying this adventure called LIFE. Otherwise, you will be a miserable old SOB the next generation of pilots will bitch and moan about and make fun of here on FI......

EVERY ONE OF YOU BENEFITED FROM AGE 60 RETIREMENT. But you get old and change the rules so they can't benefit like you did. That's a lot more selfish.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Rightly so. Mandatory retirement ages are age discrimination. Period.

What discrimination exactly? Last time I checked, we are allowed to exercise the priviledges of our pilot certificates, not the rights of our certificates.

If flying an airliner (or any aircraft, for that manner) was a right, then you would be correct. But any priviledge can be revoked at any time, for any reason.

So once again, what discrimination are we talking about here?

Peace.

Rekks

 

[makersmarc]

What discrimination exactly? Last time I checked, we are allowed to exercise the priviledges of our pilot certificates, not the rights of our certificates.

If flying an airliner (or any aircraft, for that manner) was a right, then you would be correct. But any priviledge can be revoked at any time, for any reason.

So once again, what discrimination are we talking about here?

Peace.

Rekks

So if a priviledge can be revoked at any time for any reason, if your certificate was revoked because of [fill in the blank with an unjust reason], would you not complain? It is for the courts to decide whether or not it is lawful or not.

The rule as it stands now (and before when the age limit was 60) is equally applied to all pilots.

 

[makersmarc]

I think what younger pilots are sore about is the fact that the rules are being changed at a time that is particularly hurtful to them, and at the same time beneficial to those of us that are toward the end of our careers who got walloped by the stock market crash/real estate bubble (remember, defined benefit pensions are virtually gone).

What if the discussion were about changing the age limit to 55 instead? The people hearing footsteps behind them would be younger, and perhaps they would have a different viewpoint than they do now.

45 year old pilot: "Great. I can get hired by a legacy and upgrade real fast. But I'll only be there ten years."

 

[bluefin]

I think what younger pilots are sore about is the fact that the rules are being changed at a time that is particularly hurtful to them, and at the same time beneficial to those of us that are toward the end of our careers who got walloped by the stock market crash/real estate bubble (remember, defined benefit pensions are virtually gone).

What if the discussion were about changing the age limit to 55 instead? The people hearing footsteps behind them would be younger, and perhaps they would have a different viewpoint than they do now.

45 year old pilot: "Great. I can get hired by a legacy and upgrade real fast. But I'll only be there ten years."

Also the many furloughed.

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35
42
57
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62
65
67

What do all these numbers have in common? All government imposed AGE RESTRICTIONS, 4 of them are age restrictions imposed on you to be employed by the GOVERNMENT, so all of you AGE DISCRIMINATION buffs out there why don't you file a lawsuit with the ACLU against the GOVERNMENT for imposing such restrictions and violating your human rights!!

I recall reading somewhere that ICAO countries voted for 65, but it was up to each airline to determine if they wanted to implement it. Any of you overseas pilots, is that true?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I recall reading somewhere that ICAO countries voted for 65, but it was up to each airline to determine if they wanted to implement it. Any of you overseas pilots, is that true?

Each ICAO subscribing country can set their own restrictions on this matter and each airline can set a restriction that is more restrictive than what their CAA has set. ANA for example has a retirement age of 60 (as agreed with their pilots union) although the retirement age is 65 in Japan

 

[bluefin]

Each ICAO subscribing country can set their own restrictions on this matter and each airline can set a restriction that is more restrictive than what their CAA has set. ANA for example has a retirement age of 60 (as agreed with their pilots union) although the retirement age is 65 in Japan

So, basically, ALPA and others shoved up our arses with the, "EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT". Did U.S airlines have the option, no it also was shoved on to them, although to their benefit. If ALPA backs it again, with out the will of their membership as before, lines will be crossed at the next ALPA carrier to go on strike, "MAKING UP FOR LOST WAGES", will be the motto!

 

[pilotyip]

I see a lot of get the heck out of my seat here

 

[Axel]

I want it; it's mine; give it to me now or else I'll get ugly with you. Problem is: It always worked for them in the past.

There is an entire generation of parents that needs to be slapped.

 

[zonejumper]

I want it, it's mine, give it to me or else I'll get ugly with you. Problem is: It always worked for them in the past.

There is an entire generation of parents that needs to be slapped.[/QUOTE

Now you've gone and done it.....spooled the brats up more! :smash:

I said the same thing a few pages back..something along the line of them getting what they wanted as children by holding their breath and/or throwing a temper tantrum out in public.

 

[dooork]

What discrimination exactly? Last time I checked, we are allowed to exercise the priviledges of our pilot certificates, not the rights of our certificates.

If flying an airliner (or any aircraft, for that manner) was a right, then you would be correct. But any priviledge can be revoked at any time, for any reason.

So once again, what discrimination are we talking about here?

Peace.

Rekks

I think thats wrong. In the USA you have a right to that privilege. Unless the powers that be have a substantiated reason to deny it....not for just any reason.

 

[mxaviator]

The great thing about America is you can retire whenever you want. Unless you're a pilot, of course.

You're right, in other careers there is no limit to the amount of hours one can work in a day or rest one must have either. While we're at let's just bag those too! That seems like a great idea...

Oh I see, you just want to play by the rules that benefit you and that somehow makes me selfish?

 

[Rekks Inbound]

I think thats wrong. In the USA you have a right to that privilege. Unless the powers that be have a substantiated reason to deny it....not for just any reason.

Do you have a right to a driver's license? No. A pilot certificate and medical is no different.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[flyboyike]

Oh I see, you just want to play by the rules that benefit you and that somehow makes me selfish?

Apparently, it makes YOU the hypocrite, too.

 

[flyboyike]

I see a lot of get the heck out of my seat here

How many more times are you going to say that, twenty or thirty?

 

[flyboyike]

So, basically, ALPA and others shoved up our arses with the, "EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT".

Exactly. Because, again, the geezer's sense of entitlement is better than my sense of entitlement.

 

[pilotyip]

How many more times are you going to say that, twenty or thirty?

as long as it is true

Exactly. Because, again, the geezer's sense of entitlement is better than my sense of entitlement.

I think this reinforces how true it is. BTW If things work out for you, you also may be a geezer someday.

 

[flyboyike]

BTW If things work out for you, you also may be a geezer someday.

God willing. Hopefully, things working out won't include the loss of all integrity in my case.